Are JW unik ? (page 3)

Yadirf

Moman/Eddie

happyman,
Do you understand the "blood policy" of JW's?
Study it in detail, try to be objective as best you can.
When you have finished, you will come to one conclusion, its not biblical, ITS MURDER, yes, MURDER!

That's an exageration if there ever was an exageration!

Murder, is the intentional doing away with another's life. The WTS doesn't "murder" people. Yes, unfortunately people do die as the result of a misunderstanding of the Scriptures, but that's a far cry from "murder". According to YOUR way of reasoning, ignorant nations who engage in warfare are guilty of "murder" ... wars which any well-informed Christian knows full well to be unjustified in every case. Are all soldiers truly guilty of murder ... killing people in their ignorance, as most are? Of course not, dummy!

Yadirf

Gopher

As far as "not taking part in war or politics", there are other religions that isolate themselves from mankind and do not share in civil duties, either. JW's are definitely not "unique" in that regard.

"Duties"? DUTIES!?

The more I think about it, Gopher, I'm really glad that you no longer consider yourself to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Indeed, if you did still do so, then I would surely have to reconsider my own resolve.

Yadirf

Pamela

Happy Man,
I agree with what Gopher said. I think that for some people staying in the WT Society can be comforting to them ,It is to my Mom,but she is the saddist person I know. She is not happy like you.I would recommend that you do a thorough search of the scriptures and keep an open mind and think for yourself. Keep your eyes open ,look around.
I know for me I have been out of the WT for 18 yrs and it took finally getting the info I needed and the loving support that I needed to help me find my way To the One who gave His life for me.
I'm just saying that we all have a choice,and no one should judge anyone else over the choice that they make. In the end ,we will all be held accountable one way or the other.If you choose to stay with the JWs ,then do so with knowing its the right thing for you.

I wish you continued happiness . Pam

hillary_step

Hello,

HappyMan has presented a scenario of JW's living in peace with each other and their fellow man in times of war and strife. This is generally accurate, very commendable and an element of the WTS that has bought some good to the community. I cannot possibly see how a person could argue against the value of this international achievement..

All religions, philosophies, businesses, golf-clubs, XJW Boards, in fact any group that gathers together for a purpose, has good elements and bad elements within *because* they are made up of people, who are capable of good and bad. One has to weigh whether the 'good' the group produces outweighs the 'bad' and on that evidence make a sound judgment.

I see no long-term value in attacking everything remotely JW shaped just because of such. Subsequently arguments like this develop, where even the good that the WTS produces in people is condemned just because of its source, a prejudicial and dangerous precedent.

When we can accept that the WTS, like any other religious group is not *all* bad, and that JW's are not *all* terrible people we are much more likely to see what is happening here.

Are the WTS to be commended for its attempts at worldwide peace among its adherents. *YES*. Is this particular benefit to the community enough to validate it as a religious community? Well, surely this is the real question at hand.

My own feeling is that though an astonishing achievement, it is not enough of an achievement to allow a moral acceptance in my own heart, of its other more anti-social values.

Best regards - HS

Lady Lee

Yardif said
<<What people say HERE is only one side of the story.>>

Yes and for some of us it is the only opportunity to be heard since the org gags people at every opportunity. The org maintains that it alone has a right to a voice. This is our way of being heard... finally

Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002

terafera

Very good posts everyone!

um no sister I don't know anything about those forms, why don't you
go downtown and wait in line and ask that question to the social services people, but
don't miss field service!

LOL isnt that true! I remember being a young, single mother of a newborn and needing help. I was living in a tiny cabin and was on food stamps. No one ever offered ANYTHING (except one sister who gave me a few used baby outfits) but a car ride to the meetings and field service. The lady I studied with was more concerned about how many comments I gave than if I had eaten the night before.

True, all Witnesses are not this way, and i appreciate hillary's comments. I feel bad when I wash everything jw's do as bad, when clearly there are good things they have done, but so have Mormons, Baptists and other religious groups.

I also wonder if this 'happy man' is who he says he is? Clearly, the way he writes and punctuates is very odd, not fitting if even for a Swede or whatever he is claiming to be....

Wonder if we're getting hoaxed??

expatbrit

I'm reminded of the old quote: "they create a wasteland and call it peace", spoken of the Roman Empire and it's methods of curtailing rebellion and conflict within it's territory.

The Romans did this physically. The Watchtower does it intellectually and emotionally.

Take away all conflict and adversity and you take away the need for growth and development. The Watchtower gives the peace of stagnation.

Expatbrit

dungbeetle

hey yardfart and unhappy man...

Jehovah's Witnesses that say they have a 'spiritual paradise' are blatant and flagrant liars. 6 billion people in this world know this; and the number of people who are aware of this is growing daily and exponentially.

The proof of the lie? Gravestones with the last names of Freeman, Kostelniuk, Longo, and Slack just to name a few.

They may be gone---but they are not forgotten.

God bless the children.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

terafera

Yadirf,
I think you are playing with words. Clearly you understood in what context Moman was using the word 'MURDER'.
Since JW's put their lives into the WTS hand's, then when the Society tells them it is better to die than take medical treatment involving blood, it can be compared to murder. True, it is the person's true responsibility if theydo not accept blood, but with so much on the line...losing family, friends, being cast away and told God doesnt love you anymore, being told taking in blood for an emergency is something God abhors.....many Witnesses would choose death and in good standing than stay alive in social/emotional hell. I dont know how even a JW can't admit that letting thousands die for their own cause could not be considered murder...in any form.
If you feel more comfortable with the word MANSLAUGHTER than I guess we could switch the wording for you.

here is something else you posted:

Gopher
As far as "not taking part in war or politics", there are other religions that isolate themselves from mankind and do not share in civil
duties, either. JW's are definitely not "unique" in that regard.
"Duties"? DUTIES!?
The more I think about it, Gopher, I'm really glad that you no longer consider yourself to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Indeed, if you did
still do so, then I would surely have to reconsider my own resolve.

More playing with words. You understand, or should, what he meant by duties. Maybe you dont feel it is a 'duty' but I understand the concept he was implying of. As a citizen of America, most people feel it is their American duty to serve their country or fellow citizens somehow. So, of course, if you dont consider it your duty then fine... but for the majority I am sure they would consider protecting, serving their country a duty.

Here is what the dictionary says defining duty:

Moral obligation: acting out of duty.
b.The compulsion felt to meet such obligation.
3.A service, function, or task assigned to one, especially in the armed forces: hazardous duty.
4.Function or work; service: jury duty.

So the word duty was used in an appropriate setting!

Of course not, dummy!

What's up with all the anger?

hillary_step

ExPatBrit,

I'm reminded of the old quote: "they create a wasteland and call it peace", spoken of the Roman Empire and it's methods of curtailing rebellion and conflict within it's territory.

What the Romans bought to the world was not a wasteland. Many of its achievements have been used as patterns throughout history, in fact we live with many of them today. I suspect this quotation was made by the newly conquered and not the conqueror...lol

What brings peace to our world, the law of Love or the boundaries set by military and legal bodies? It would be good to feel that we all would do the right thing if not restrained by boundaries, but I suspect that in reality few could attain to this code.

The fact is that we each have the capability within us of absolute good and absolute evil and every group reflects that potential. For that reason a social structure needs to be imposed that reflects that reality. Some of 'bad' that these structures impose often outweighs the 'good'. Hitler bought full employment to Germany, but at what costs.

I suspect that many of us were drawn to the WTS because we were idealists, now that the 'ideal' has come crashing down in smoke and ashes, could it be that sometimes we lose our sense of reality and are prepared to accept the excesses of other religions, but not those of the WTS?

A slightly rambling - HS

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