A Real and Authentic Letter from a Jehovah's Witness Mother to Her Son

by God_Delusion 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Miles3
    Miles3

    I know that at the time I was in, I would have accepted blood if I had been presented the evidence about the flip-flops for vaccinations and organ transplants, and even more if the WT had explained clearly the accepted fractions (which is, once the situation is clearly presented to you, so ludicrous there's no way the WT will ever make it clear - people would leave in droves). Some on the forums have said that it's what has woken them up, so I don't think you can affirm that the choice we would have made _before_ having had full information was our informed choice. And as a JW raised and indoctrinated from childhood, I don't agree I had a choice to accept it.

    It's the same for disfelowshipping. When people realise TTATT, they stop shunning the ones they shunned before.

    And witnesses, like all cult members, are _fed_ misleading information. Information control is the prefered method for manipulators, because it does work. Remove the blinders, and people take radically different decisions.

    If you're not convinced by books about cults like Steve Hassan's, videos from ex-cult members are also really instructive. While inside, the behavior and the hazards are the same as those someone with a manipulative spouse. I used to read a lot about manipulative personnalities at work or in the family while in the Borg, and once I realised TTATT, the similarities in the manipulated one's behaviors are striking.

    People that study with the witnesses are subjected to manipulation too. Nothing is ever presented clearly to them, and bait-and-switch is a manipulation method.

  • Sulla
    Sulla

    Stupid question: what is TTATT?

  • exwhyzee
    exwhyzee

    The letter was all about her....what she thinks....what she is going to do....how she feels....how she needs to move forward to her goal of everlasting life.

    I love how people say they Love Jehovah and are foregoing their own selfish pursuits and are putting him first when really they are saving their own skin and will throw their own offspring under the bus to do so.

  • Miles3
    Miles3

    Sorry Sulla, TTATT="The Truth About The Truth(TM)" aka The Truth About The Lie.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    “It’s a personal matter for each individual to decide for himself if they no longer want to be a Jehovah’s Witness. Any one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is free to express their feelings and to ask questions. If a person changes their mind about Bible-based teachings they once held dear, we recognise their right to leave.”

    100% true.

    What he didnt say was that the price of that freedom is SHUNNING.

    Oz

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    she doesn't deserve a son TBH, and a lying bitch as well, sickening.

  • Sulla
    Sulla

    You have an interesting take here, Miles3.

    Some on the forums have said that it's what has woken them up, so I don't think you can affirm that the choice we would have made _before_ having had full information was our informed choice. And as a JW raised and indoctrinated from childhood, I don't agree I had a choice to accept it.

    I've always thought that born-ins have a very attenuated level of responsibility in these matters, certainly until they are adults past a certain age. But, dealing only with those who choose JW-ism or who have reached a point where they should be evaluating life choices seriously, ou bring up an interesting point: decisions made without full information.

    So, you say, 'Had I known thing X, I would have left earlier.' I've said it, too. But I don't think so. I suspect the process works the other way around: we loosen our attachment to the JWs -- we "leave" -- long before we "discover" inconsistencies or errors in their teaching. For me, it was having a child and understanding I would never obey the blood teaching. For Quendi, it was weirdness about the generation change coupled with being disfellowshipped; but the generations change was something he would have lived with, probably, had he not been disfellowshipped. I think many stories are similar: some event makes us entertain the possibiity that the JWs might be wrong about something important, then all else follows.

    But the flip-side is also true: when the attachment is strong, facts about the JWs are very unlikely to matter. Failure to recognize this is why people constantly say, 'Ah! {fill in latest scandal / outrage / absurdity here} will finally open the eyes of all the JWs!' But it never does.

    You also bring up the comparison of a manipulative spouse, which may be very apt. The manipulating spouse doesn't really love the one being manipulated. The weaker one is made weaker by his love, misplaced as it is.

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    It is all about trust. People make their decisions based on information they are given. If they are given false information they will unwittingly make the wrong decisions. Those who deliberately give out propaganda containing false information, are responsible for the mistakes they cause other to make.

    We expect it to be safe to proceed through a green traffic light. If the traffic control system is faulty, the result can be tragic. The Watchtower Society had abused the trust of its membership. Then again it is to be expected. It is what all politicians and would be world leader do.

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    I had a similar experience just recently as David did last March. Just last Wednesday, I called a Witness in California whom I have known and loved for more than 25 years. We were so close that I called her "Mom" and she referred to me as her fifth son. After I was disfellowshipped, our relationship changed, but she didn't completely sever all ties with me. However, she did make it clear that contact between us would be reduced and that she expected me to return in due time.

    We had talked two years ago and she asked then if I had been reinstated. I told her no and furthermore I had no intention of seeking it. She asked why and I said there were irreconcileable differences between me and the Society on a wide range of issues and that seeking reinstatement was pointless. She wasn't happy with that answer but was at least civil. I suppose she at least respected my right to make my own choices.

    So on Wednesday I called her again. I only wanted to check on her well-being--since she is now in her early seventies--that of her other sons and grandsons, as well as to tell her that I had left Colorado and returned to my family in Alabama to care for my aged and infrim mother. I had intended to talk only long enough for the exchange of information and to let her know I still loved her. I never got the chance.

    In a cold voice she asked if I was now reinstated. I said no, that nothing had changed. She wanted to know the reason. I told her the unbridgeable differences between me and the WTS still remained and furthermore, the Conti case in her home state of California had only reaffirmed my decision to stay out. You can imagine my pain and shock when she then replied, "Well, I am going to ask you to never call me again." There was a brief silence and then I terminated the call.

    I can't entirely agree with Sulla's belief that an action like this on the part of adult Witnesses is entirely without coercion. The underlying emotion prompting it is fear: fear of the WTS, fear of God, fear of death, and fear of shunning. The Witness fools himself into thinking that shunning others is displaying loyalty to God and his organization, but one only has to scratch the surface to see the morbid, unhealthy and irrational fear lurking beneath and which is the real motivator of shunning.

    My California mom isn't the only Witness I know who has acted this way. My closest friend in the organization has done the same, even after a face-to-face meeting with him last year in which he hugged and kissed me while professing how much he missed me and was overjoyed to see me again after a separation of six years. But he has failed to stay in touch, to answer any e-mail or snail mail I have sent, or even send a message to me through a mutual third party when I requested it.

    Both my California mom and my Colorado brother are two highly intelligent people whose judgment on other matters I could always rely upon and trust. If both have responded in a way that is almost like a condtioned-reflex, then I can only believe that there is some other mental and emotional pathogen at work. That pathogen is the belief system they have in common: the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses and the tyrannical demands the WTS puts on its adherents. It is fear of death, not love of life, that guides and motivates many Witnesses, my two former friends being among the millions whose normal emotional responses have been twisted and perverted by this execrable organization.

    Quendi

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    I'd like to elaborate further on Sulla's reference to my own experience which I have shared elsewhere. It is true that it took my being disfellowshipped to burn the bridge between me and the WTS. But my disfellowshipping and subsequent ill-treatment by the elders was one of several factors that helped me make up my mind. The growing unease and disquiet I had been feeling since the 1 November 1995 Watchtower study article on the meaning of the word generation had got the ball rolling and momentum grew from there.

    I have always been a student and scholar and probed much deeper into matters than most Witnesses ever bothered to do. During my long years of living in Colorado I met an outstanding man whose worked touched the life of all of Jehovah's Witnesses. I won't mention his real name here, but he was a wonderfully gifted artist and the Society used him to draw many of the cartoon illustrations that appeared in both The Watchtower and Awake! journals. This man, whom I'll call "Art", was not simply an artist, he also was a serious Bible student and in the late 1990s he began looking into various doctrines and teachings of the WTS in order to strengthen his own faith in their validity. In time, he asked me to assist him in his research.

    To make a long story short, "Art" began to uncover many things that led him to question primary WTS doctrines. He finally concluded that the Society was completely wrong about the last days beginning in 1914 and this was based on two fundamental points. First, Jerusalem had been destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC and not 607 BC as the WTS maintained. Second, and equally as important, the book of Revelation had been written, not at the end of the first century but sometime early in the second half of that century, some years before Jerusalem's destruction by the Romans in AD 70.

    It took some time, but he eventually convinced me of the validity of his findings. "Art" shared his research with the WTS, begging for its assistance in checking it for any errors, mistakes and problems. He corresponded by mail, e-mail and telephone. He talked to upper echelon staff at Brooklyn Bethel including Governing Body members. The Society's attitude was perfectly reflected in the September 2007 issue of Our Kingdom Ministry with the "Question Box" article. Many of us will remember that it strongly warned people against studying or consulting independent sources in their own Bible reading and research, but should rely only, wholly, and solely on the Society's publications. That article was leaked to "Art" before its publication and he was told that it was aimed specifically at him and the small research group he had started. In the end he was disfellowshipped, and that action was taken in absentia. "Art" died three years later.

    Before he died, "Art" had told me that my seeking reinstatement was in vain, that I was considered "too dangerous" by the local elders because I could think and they would not readmit me to the fold. How right he was! The elders used every trivial and mean trick they could think of to deny my requests. But as I think back over my experience, I believe that the disposal of "Art's" case would have also played a significant role in my decision to leave the WTS. As it was, my original plan was to get reinstated only to reestablish ties with Witnesses I loved. Then I was going to do a slow "fade" and leave quietly. I was never given that chance.

    I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to clarify my own situation and experience. It has been a long journey out of the WTS for me with many twists and bends so at times it has been easy to oversimplify what happened. Looking back, I would not have remained in the organization because of the doctrinal problems regardless if I had remained in good standing. I have always been a free-thinker and as such I would have chafed under the increasingly burdensome worldview the WTS fosters and would have left. But even though I was pushed out rather than jumping out on my own, I still had a parachute, and thankfully was able to make a safe landing.

    Quendi

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