The "Secrecy Policy”

by Celestial 58 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Celestial
    Celestial

    I've given this recent lawsuit quite a bit of thought and come to sound conclusions. After examining other organization's child-protection policies (namely churches), what I've come to realize is there's a one-size fits all solution that's socially acceptable; all information obtained through witnesses and confessions by organizational personnel is be used to aid and abet law-enforcement. There's no in-between or anything short of this objective that's socially acceptable. Pedophilia is believed to be a sexual orientation like homosexuality, in that it's hardwired into a person's biological makeup and thus incurable. Pedophiles should thus be locked up and the key thrown away or shot.

    I'm half a JW or maybe a fourth, but I know Jehovah's Witnesses believe a person can change. What I am confused about, is what about Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policy needs to change?

    http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm

    In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

    If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take appropriate congregational action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the congregation. Even if he is repentant—is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future—what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: “For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation.
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    In view of the above statements, congregation elders can do little next to nothing to aid and abet law-enforcement by collecting information from their congregants. At best, they can route information to the respective authorities, but ultimately, an eyewitness has to cooperate with the authorities and corroborate their observations in a court of law. In all practicality, it shows initiative on the part of an eyewitness to contact the authorities from the onset.

    The only other way an elder would know anything is if a molester voluntarily confesses something to an elder.

    The circumstances in this recent lawsuit falls somewhere in-between these two sources as a means to gather information. I looked up the laws relative to mandatory reporting in the state of California in 1993 and came up with the following:

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=evid

    Article 8. Clergy Penitent Privileges ......................... 1030-1034

    1030. As used in this article, a "member of the clergy" means a priest, minister, religious practitioner, or similar functionary of a church or of a religious denomination or religious organization.

    1031. As used in this article, "penitent" means a person who has made a penitential communication to a member of the clergy.

    1032. As used in this article, "penitential communication" means a communication made in confidence, in the presence of no third person so far as the penitent is aware, to a member of the clergy who, in the course of the discipline or practice of the clergy member's church, denomination, or organization, is authorized or accustomed to hear those communications and, under the discipline or tenets of his or her church, denomination, or organization, has a duty to keep those communications secret.

    1033. Subject to Section 912, a penitent, whether or not a party, has a privilege to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, a penitential communication if he or she claims the privilege.

    1034. Subject to Section 912, a member of the clergy, whether or not a party, has a privilege to refuse to disclose a penitential communication if he or she claims the privilege.


    I could be wrong, but section 1033 and 1034 seem to allow for a third or fourth member to the "party" if relevant to "penitential communication."

    Excerpts from court documents:

    Filed April 27, 2012

    WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC'S MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFF'S MOTION TO ALLEGE PUNITIVE DAMAGES

    “She also ignores California's statutorily-imposed obligation of a clergyman to preserve the confidentiality of information provided by a penitent. Clearly, Dr. Salter's biased and factually unsupported declaration is no justification for allowing Plaintiff to claim punitive damages in this case.”

    “That statutory provision, often referred to as the "Clergy-Penitent Privilege," creates an obligation on the part of clergymen to keep penitential communications confidential. While there are obvious exceptions to the Clergy-Penitent Privilege, it is the clergyman's duty to maintain the privilege of the penitent, unless and until the privilege is waived by the penitent.”

    “Plaintiff criticizes Watchtower's letter for instructing elders to call Watchtower's Legal Department immediately upon learning of the abuse of a child. Plaintiff is apparently unaware that the Clergy-Penitent Privilege differs widely across the nation, making a standard that can be articulated to all elders across the nation impossible. For example, in Texas, the Texas Family Code section 261.101, mandates that clergy report all suspected child abuse regardless of the existence of a claim of clergy-penitent communication. Thus, Texas elders would be instructed by Watchtower's Legal Department to report all suspected abuse of children to the police no matter how they gained their information. In California, the duty of elders to report to the police depends upon the source of the information and the applicability of the Clergy-Penitent Privilege. Thus, the law of California recognizes and respects the clergy-penitent privilege. Plaintiffs criticism of the letter attached as Plaintiffs Ex. 1 ignores this law as she seeks to paint Plaintiffs Ex. 1 as a mere attempt to avoid civil liability. Plaintiffs critique is both contrary to law and out of sync with the true intent of the letter, which intent is obvious from its content.”
    “The Problems with Dr. Salter”

    “Dr. Salter's opinion invades the province of the Court. Without citing to a single statute, court decision, promulgated rule, or other source of standards, she opines that a duty existed in 1993-1995 to notify various persons and entities about a confirmed abuser in a congregation's midst.”

    “The opinion of Plaintiffs is invalid for another reason. Her opinion fails to meet the California standards for acceptance of expert opinions. Cal. Evid. Code section 801. The foundation of her opinion is inadequate as a matter of law.”

    “However, it remains the province of the legislature and the courts, not psychologists, to determine whether a duty arises.”

    “The cases offered by Plaintiff to support her claim that Defendants are liable to Plaintiff because they failed to warn or report their "knowledge of the employee or volunteer's history of sexual abuse and failed to warn or protect children exposed to the . abuser" (Plaintiffs Memorandum of Law, p. 6, part II A) are inapplicable to the facts of this case. They impose liability on a principal whose employee (Evan F. v. Hughson United Methodist Church (1992) 8 Cal.App.4th 828), spouse (Pamela L . v. Farmer (1980) 112 Cal.App.3d 206), or appointed volunteer agent-Boy S court leader (Juarez v. Boy Scouts of America (2000) 8 1 Cal . App.4th 6 377) were known to the defendants in those cases to have abused children in the past. None involved a mere congregation member. None involved a person about whom an allegation was unconfirmed or involved a confession by the perpetrator, given in the presence of the accuser and the accuser 's mother, that he had "briefly and inadvertently" touched her breast over her clothing.”

    “None involved a mere congregation member.”

    “For Plaintiffs expert to be allowed to provide her opinion that churches must report "confirmed" child abuse to parents, other adults, and public officials, the Court must rule that her opinion is now the law in California, and the California Clergy-Penitent Privilege is no longer good law.”

    “Dr. Salter's opinion is further objectionable since she failed to qualify to provide an expert opinion about the status of the law concerning reporting alleged child abuse to authorities or to others in 1993. Further, she did not provide an expert opinion on the propriety of clergy violating the clergy-penitent privilege in order to disseminate information about what the penitent confessed to the elders.”
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    I haven't completely read all of the court documents, but an item of interest is this: “Were the elders protected from litigation under California Clergy-Penitent Privilege? Was a clear explanation of the California statute delivered to the jury?”

    Clergy-Penitent Privilege can be abused. In a lawsuit involving the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the American Boy Scouts, Timur Dykes acknowledged in early 1983 that he had abused 17 Boy Scouts. That's a far cry in terms of severity from the lawsuit currently underway attacking Jehovah's Witnesses.

    In this incident, the Clergy-Penitent Privilege exercised by elders in 1993 was principled even if any legal technicalities conflict with their actions.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/15/12225753-jehovahs-witnesses-ordered-to-pay-more-than-20-million-to-woman-who-said-she-was-sexually-abused?lite

    "The ultimate goal of the lawsuit was to have a change in policy, to be able to ID these people, child molesters, to the congregation to protect children," Conti told msnbc.com . "Secondarily, to have silent ones come forward and tell their stories and to bring to light that overall issue of violence and the hush-hush policy."

    If the Clergy-Penitent Privilege is destroyed on behalf of Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll have no means to “ID these people” through the process of confession.

    Mandatory reporting where Clergy-Penitent Privilege has no application: If a suspected abuser has confessed in counseling to the pastor about abusing a minor, the pastor is obligated under as a “mandated reporter” to contact the proper civil authorities. The pastor should state that he/she is a “mandated reporter” to the person seeking counseling or confession prior to the start of the initial session. Pastoral privilege may or may not exist in the event of prosecution; that is, the pastor cannot legally be compelled to testify, but this doesn't mean he won't.

    In other words, “Everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

    It's highly unlikely anyone will confess to wrongdoing if an initial session is tantamount to a police interview. Any strangulation on a perpetrator's right to confess in confidence won't aid and abet Jehovah's Witnesses or the legal system because the arrangement won't exist.

    This is what happened in the case of Candace Conti,

    The legal system doesn't always step in to efficiently protect society. Johnathan Kendrick was convicted of a misdemeanor 1994 and he wasn't even placed on the California sex-offender registry let alone imprisoned. All the authorities did was slap him with a small fine.

    California has had a sex-offender registry since 1947. The government did absolutely nothing to inform anyone of anything. Law enforcement did absolutely nothing to monitor this man's whereabouts, let alone restrict his activities.

    The bottom line, is the government didn't consider him to be a dangerous sex-offender. Why should the elders be implicated and condemned in a lawsuit if the elder's opinion was synchronous with that of law enforcement?

    All things considered, Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have an effective child protection policy. An internal policy, a Christian arrangement that's tolerant to these individuals rights to constitutional religious freedom while depending on the secular authorities to act when needed.

    As for the current policy, it seems that a premise exists to address any and all associated individuals involved child-protection in a fair and balanced standpoint.

    http://www.jw-media.org/gbl/20071121.htm

    We do not condone or protect child molesters. Our elders expel unrepentant sinners who commit this crime.

    Congregation elders comply with child abuse reporting laws. (Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1) We do not silence victims. Our members have an absolute right to report this horrible crime to the authorities.

    From many perspectives, congregation elders gave Jonathan Kendrick the benefit of the doubt, by not reporting the activities of his family confessed in good-faith only to get stabbed in back.

    It appears the Watchtower Society's “secrecy policy” was rendered obsolete in many states prior to it's scathing criticism.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    This is typical JW apologist crap. the glaring problem with the JW system is that at any hint of abuse the authorities, those trained and authorised to deal with it, should be alerted FIRST, STRAIGHT AWAY !

    The fannying about that goes on now gives time for the paedophile to cover his tracks, put abject fear in to the heart of the victim and even the victims family, and to garner support for himself.

    Elders are not trained counsellers who can properly care for the needs of victims, they should leave such sensitive work to those who are, that way years of depression and perhaps a subsequent suicide may often be avoided.

    The Priest/penitent excuse if used is the height of hypocrisy for JW's who claim they have no clergy/laity distinction, can you tell me it is right on any level for a JW to conceal a crime once he gains knowledge of it ? Would he be prosecuted for so doing ? I doubt it, and any way, morally he should report.

    The other thing the WT needs to implement forthwith to avoid future law suits, is an active, workable, and working Protection Programme for the vulnerable, whenever they meet they should have an appointed person, named in that capacity, actually present to care for this responsibility.

    It is not good enough to say the parents are responsible, that is trying to side-step responsibilty by the WT.

    Excuses and cover-ups do not protect the vulnerable, the WT/JW's need to get in to the 21st century.

  • somebody
    somebody

    No clergy- penitent privilege laws would apply to any JWs period, seeing as JWs have no clergy class, according the the Watchtower Society itself.

    *** g8/10p.9WhatDoJehovah’sWitnessesBelieve?***

    10. Theclergy-laitydistinction “All you are brothers,” said Jesus to his followers. (Matthew 23:8) The early Christians, including the Bible writers, had no clergy class. This Biblical pattern is the one that Jehovah’s Witnesses follow.

  • blindnomore
    blindnomore

    Celestial, You sound naive if you are not or have never been clergy class(elder) of Jehovah's Witness. However, there's no excuse in your part choose to be naive. You should have known better by now how the Watchtower operates. You can read their decietful double policies from everywhere if you want to. Do you care for the truth and justice?

    I am taking my precious time and will post here yet another time just for you and please open your eyes and ears!

    I have a first-hand knowledge and experiences that the Watchtower is anything but what it says in JW.media.org.

    It's all about saving their face and their reputation, Period! The Watchtower will do and say anything and everything to conceal their ugly truth. The Watchtower not only condoning the crimes but punishing the victims and their family memebers for bringing out and reporting child sexual abuse cases within their congregations. Once again you that I am telling you this from my very own personal experience. Do you know how the Watchtower handle reporting the crime to the authority?

    'As a friend of the parents of the victim'(No mentioning names of reporters let alone church afflilation to the victims)

    How heinously decieving! And then the elders claim of their part in reporting the crime. Yep! they technically did report. Once again I am reminding you. I am telling you this from my very own experience. I want you to try to report child sexual abuse anonymousely as do Jehovah's Witness elders. See what happen!

    Neither the Child Protective Service nor Police will take such anonymouse reports!

    The elders of Watchtower, in the meantime, turn around and will punish you even for you to believing and promoting their own the above public statememt that you have posted.(One of my family members was disfellowshipped for shwoing this printed statement to local elders and was accused of handling apostate meterial. The elders never even took look at what he had in his hand). That is just for the public. But for you, what the watchtower says through elders is the only polices and it's abhorrent!

    I hope this doesn't happen to your children, grandchildren, neicies, nephews. How shame if that were to only way to wake you up!

    (Somebody, the Watchtower claims one thing in their publications and yet shows their true color in court and in their star chamber judicial process. In my opinion, the Watchtower operates the very same way that of North Korean dictators do)

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." - Robert A. Heinlein

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    Legalistic crap

    Common sense tells non-dysfunctional people what to do.

    Just plain old common sense.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Its really simple. If a non-professional learns about child-abuse he/she must do 2 things immediately.

    1. Reassure the child and make sure they are not in immediate danger.

    2. Contact the police &/or social services without delay.

    Don't speak to anybody else about it, don't tell the child's parents, don't speak to a lawyer.

    The only possible reason the organisation requires elders to contact lawyers first is to minimise damage to their reputation.

    Congregation elders comply with child abuse reporting laws.

    Its not about complying with the minimal requiemetns of the law. Its about your moral responsibility to prioritise the interests of the child.

  • Devil_Fish
    Devil_Fish

    cofty,

    Well said.

    D_F

  • Balaamsass
    Balaamsass

    Spot on cofty

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    I can't begin to tell you how furious I was to read this unadulterated offal from Celestial. The penitent privilege cannot be invoked in any case because first and foremost, the confidentiality that is necessary is never respected, honored, or safeguarded. That privilege has room for only two people, the penitent and the clergyman/confessor/spiritual adviser who is told. JWs invoke a judicial committee of three or more men to hear the confession, keep notes of the meeting, open and maintain files in the congregation's records, and notifies the WTS Legal Department. Any one of these actions voids the claim that the privilege exists. And don't even get me started with the thinly veiled assertion that pedophilia and homosexuality should be viewed in the same light.

    This long and drawn out post is nothing more than verbal diarrhea. Just the same, I'm glad to see it because it tells me there is still much work to do and deep malice to overcome still when people like Celestial enter a discussion of this type.

    Quendi

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