2012 District Convention Watchtower Summary - Quotes

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  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    Here are a few select editorialized quotes from the Watchtower Summary as presented at the 2012 District Convention.

    This is from the March Study edition, 3/15/2012 page 25, "Do Not Look at the Things Behind"

    I found these first two disturbing as they seem to instill fear, especially in children

    Lot's wife suffers painful death by having a scalding brine poured on her (is that how the Bible puts it?)

    Houses the kids pass while in school bus will soon be empty, no more people

    Quit looking behind, stop questioning what could have been ...

    "Many" who go to high school reunion leave the truth, don't reminisce through your yearbook

    Five minute rant about missing out on higher education (Watchtower attorneys might learn a lesson from this one)

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Child abuse plain and simple.

    Not only does a witness child have to be forced to look at pics of people bein' destroyed thoughout their lives

    but as they go out into the world the must visualize death and destruction of any potential friend they make

    I honestly believe that the WTS has an investment with the pharmacutical companies

    and all evidence points to why the WTS keep folks depressed

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    ... I wonder how long it will be before the "Organization" provides do not deviate from the manuscript prepared parts for every single convention part, including Organization approved and provided re-enactment demonstrations. They really should get every part of it under control.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Wanna Be Free said:

    Lot's wife suffers painful death by having a scalding brine poured on her (is that how the Bible puts it?)

    Did they actually say it like this? Here's how Genesis 19:26 puts it:

    "And his wife began to look around from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

    The New American Commentary on Genesis had this commentary about it:

    The feature of "salt" in the Dead Sea area (cf. "salt sea," 14:3) and its sterile effects on arable land may explain the casting of her figure in the mineral. Her physical translation into an edifice of salt, probably to be understood as a coating of salt, testified to the consequence of disobedience and was an appalling reminder of the events at Sodom." (Vol II)

    Josephus (Ant 1.11.4) says:

    "... was changed into a pillar of salt; for I have seen it, ..."

    The Barnes commentary on the Bible says this: (copied from the eSword program)

    From the injunction to Lot to "flee to the mountain," as well as from the nature of the soil, we may infer that at the same time with the awful conflagration there was a subsidence of the ground, so that the waters of the upper and original lake flowed in upon the former fertile and populous dale, and formed the shallow southern part of the present Salt Sea. In this pool of melting asphalt and sweltering, seething waters, the cities seem to have sunk forever, and left behind them no vestiges of their existence. Lot's wife lingering behind her husband, and looking back, contrary to the express command of the Lord, is caught in the sweeping tempest, and becomes a pillar of salt: so narrow was the escape of Lot. The dashing spray of the salt sulphurous rain seems to have suffocated her, and then encrusted her whole body. She may have burned to a cinder in the furious conflagration. She is a memorable example of the indignation and wrath that overtakes the halting and the backsliding.

    Keil & Delitzsch OT Commentary: (copied from eSword program)

    On the way, Lot's wife, notwithstanding the divine command, looked "behind him away," - i.e., went behind her husband and looked backwards, probably from a longing for the house and the earthly possessions she had left with reluctance (cf. Luk_17:31-32), - and "became a pillar of salt." We are not to suppose that she was actually turned into one, but having been killed by the fiery and sulphureous vapour with which the air was filled, and afterwards encrusted with salt, she resembled an actual statue of salt; just as even now, from the saline exhalation of the Dead Sea, objects near it are quickly covered with a crust of salt, so that the fact, to which Christ refers in Luk_17:32, may be understood without supposing a miracle.

    (Note: But when this pillar of salt is mentioned in Wis. 11:7 and Clemens ad Cor. xi. as still in existence, and Josephus professes to have seen it, this legend is probably based upon the pillar-like lumps of salt, which are still to be seen at Mount Usdum (Sodom), on the south-western side of the Dead Sea.)

    When I first saw what you said they said, I was taken aback by the speculativeness of it. It is still speculative, but now I can see where the idea came from.

    One of the things that would make me doubt the idea of her being poured over with burning salt was that she became "a pillar of salt." I remember seeing pictures of people unearthed in Pompeii. I don't remember seeing any who were still standing as if to become pillars. But then again, I'm open to learning.

    Take Care

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Just to add a little bit more about Lot's wife and the Hebrew word for "pillar":

    The Theological Wordbook of the OT (Vol II p.592) says: "The one place where the noun n e sib is translated "pillar" is in reference to Lot's wife (Gen 19:26). The obvious intent here is to depict her as stopped, trapped, transformed as and where she was, in a still upright posture, whether we assume the transformation into salt as instantaneous or subsequent."

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Really what's the point of people arguing over fairy tales?

  • QueenWitch
    QueenWitch

    what Baltar said. I remember looking at some documentary that showed pillar statues that looked like people. And the fire that rained from heaven? a meteor.

    But I get the point of the OP. The bible said nothing about scalding brine, just said pillar of salt.

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    Still spewing out the mind control, like a salt geyser.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    What they are doing is abuse. First, why did Lot even have to leave? Is Jehovah really that feeble that he needs to totally remove Lot, or is it that he doesn't want Lot living comfortably? I bet that Satan could have left Lot alone, protecting him from destruction even as everyone else needed to die (and that assumes they actually needed dying). And that assumes that you can even trust this fable from the LIE-ble in the first place.

    Then, even assuming that was true, why compare normal childhood activities to Lot's wife? How long was that emergency? About a day. How long is this "emergency"? More than 130 years, and still counting. Going on 140 years, actually. Is it really necessary that people go through their whole lives and not know anything that resembles normalcy? Or, is it that Jehovah and his filthy angels are the ones that need to be bound?

  • VM44
    VM44

    These statements are not in the March 15th Watchtower.

    "Lot's wife suffers painful death by having a scalding brine poured on her (is that how the Bible puts it?)

    Houses the kids pass while in school bus will soon be empty, no more people"

    Isn't the Watchtower conductor told specifically to NOT make additions to the material?

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