Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-08-2012 WT Study (GIFT MARRIAGE)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-08-2012 WT Study (MAY 15, 2012, pages 3-7)(GIFT MARRIAGE)

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    DO YOU REALLY APPRECIATE

    GOD’S GIFT OF MARRIAGE?

    “May Jehovah make a gift to you, and do you

    find a resting-place each one in the house

    of her husband.”

    —RUTH 1:9.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    I grew up in an abusive household, a non-jw abusive father and a jw mother who had one personality at the KH and another at home that conformed to no Christian principles.

    Neither at home or at the KH did I see women, single or married, valued or treated as equals in the Christian teaching the WTS said they taught. The most incompetent jw male was one step above the most sincere, competent female jw. I even had elders and COs tell me that even in heaven, the female anointed would only rule over women on earth. I even saw unbaptized male jws only 10 years old time the talks at the Theocratic Ministry School.

    Women were “owned” in the OT, could not divorce a husband though men could divorce their wives (remember adulterous wives were executed; unless the king had had been the adulterer). Women could not own property because they were property. Fathers could sell daughters and even today the WTS supports jw women being sold for a bride price as long as they aren’t sold to non-jws (if it is the custom of that country).

    START OF ARTICLE

    LOOK FOR THE ANSWERS:

    Why can we say that past

    servants of God appreciated his

    gift of marriage?

    How do we know that Jehovah is

    concerned about our choice

    of marriage mate?

    What Bible counsel on wedlock

    do you plan to apply in your life?

    1. Describe Adam’s reaction when he received a wife.

    “THIS is at last bone of my bones and flesh of

    my flesh. This one will be called Woman, because

    from man this one was taken.” (Gen. 2:23)

    How happy the first man, Adam, was to receive

    a wife! No wonder he waxed poetic! After Jehovah

    had caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep, He

    created this beautiful woman from one of the man’s

    ribs. Adam later named her Eve. God united the two

    in happy wedlock. Since Jehovah used Adam’s own

    rib as a base for creating her, Adam and Eve were

    closer than any present-day husband and wife.

    COMMENTS

    Remember that Adam was the only human on earth…no one to talk with. Did Adam speak directly with God or through an angel? Was this genetic connection a basis of emotional closeness? Why then is genetic closeness no longer good but bad physically. Adam was definitely ecstatic to have a companion, and obviously God did not tell him about the birds and the bees because no children came until after their “sin”? How long had they been married before sinning? The WTS teaches that the 6 th creative day ended with the creation of Eve.

    2. Why are men and women drawn to one another?

    2 In his inimitable wisdom, Jehovah planted within

    humans the capacity for romantic love—a quality

    that would draw men and women together. Says

    The World Book Encyclopedia: “A man and woman

    who marry hope to share a sexual relationship and

    a permanent romantic attraction.” That has happened

    countless times among Jehovah’s people.

    COMMENTS

    Romantic love – and now a quote from a non-jw source, even a non-scriptural source. No mention of romantic love in the bible?

    *** w07 2/15 p.19 par.5***

    The love-at-first-sight feeling may be enough for a pleasurable romance, but it is not an adequate basis for a happy marriage.

    Jehovah’s people = today only jws

    THEY WERE GRATEFUL FOR THE GIFT OF MARRIAGE

    3. How did Isaac acquire a wife?

    3 Faithful Abraham had a high regard for marriage.

    Therefore, he sent his eldest servant to Mesopotamia

    to obtain a wife for Isaac. Prayer by that

    servant brought good results. God-fearing Rebekah

    became Isaac’s beloved wife and played a part

    in Jehovah’s arrangement for preserving Abraham’s

    seed. (Gen. 22:18; 24:12-14, 67) We should not conclude

    from this that a person—well-meaning though

    he or she may be—should become an unsolicited

    matchmaker. In present-day society, many make

    their own choice of marriage mate. Of

    course, marriages are not made in heaven,

    but God will guide Christians in this

    and other aspects of life if they pray for

    direction and are led by his spirit.—Gal.

    5:18, 25.

    COMMENTS

    “acquire a wife” = like something to be owned, purchased?

    But remember Rebekah along with Jacob deceived Isaac as to Jacob’s identity rather than telling Isaac the truth about Esau selling his birthright.

    So jws can be a “solicited matchmaker”?

    Jw parents are allowed to request a bride price for their daughters….

    4, 5. What convinces you that the Shulammite

    and the shepherd had special feelings for each

    other?

    4 A beautiful Shulammite girl of ancient

    Israel did not want her friends to

    pressure her to become one of King Solomon’s

    many wives. She said: “I have

    put you under oath, O daughters of Jerusalem,

    that you try not to awaken or

    arouse love in me until it feels inclined.”

    (Song of Sol. 8:4) The Shulammite and

    a certain shepherd did have special feelings

    for each other. Humbly, she said:

    “A mere saffron of the coastal plain I

    am, a lily of the low plains.” Ah, but

    the shepherd replied: “Like a lily among

    thorny weeds, so is my girl companion

    among the daughters”! (Song of Sol. 2:

    1, 2) They truly loved each other.

    COMMENTS

    So why were her “friends” pressuring if her parents were to select her mate?

    Was love the issue or the bride price?

    5 Because the Shulammite and the

    shepherd primarily loved God, their

    marital bond would be strong indeed. In

    fact, the Shulammite said to her beloved

    shepherd: “Place me as a seal upon your

    heart, as a seal upon your arm; because

    love is as strong as death is, insistence

    on exclusive devotion is as unyielding

    as Sheol is. Its blazings are the blazings

    of a fire, the flame of Jah [for it is

    from him]. Many waters themselves are

    not able to extinguish love, nor can rivers

    themselves wash it away. If a man

    would give all the valuable things of his

    house for love, persons would positively

    despise them.” (Song of Sol. 8:6, 7)

    When weighing wedlock, why should a

    servant of Jehovah settle for anything

    less?

    COMMENTS

    Shepherd primarily loved God = translation: she would always come second…like many elders’ wives know

    Among my jw contemporaries who married in the 70’s and 80’s, about 5% are still married to each other. How many divorces have you seen in your congregation?

    A CHOICE THAT MATTERS TO GOD

    6, 7. How do we know that God cares about

    our choice of marriage mate?

    6 Jehovah cares about your choice of

    marriage mate. With regard to inhabitants

    of Canaan, the Israelites were

    commanded: “You must form no marriage

    alliance with them. Your daughter

    you must not give to his son, and

    his daughter you must not take for your

    son. For he will turn your son from following me,

    and they will certainly serve

    other gods; and Jehovah’s anger will indeed

    blaze against you, and he will certainly

    annihilate you in a hurry.” (Deut. 7:3, 4)

    Centuries later, Ezra the priest

    declared: “You yourselves have acted

    unfaithfully in that you gave a dwelling

    to foreign wives so as to add to the

    guiltiness of Israel.” (Ezra 10:10) And

    the apostle Paul told fellow Christians:

    “A wife is bound during all the time

    her husband is alive. But if her husband

    should fall asleep in death, she is free to

    be married to whom she wants, only in

    the Lord.”—1 Cor. 7:39.

    COMMENTS

    Deut. 7:3,4 is talking only about Canaanites. But the Israelites could many other non-Israelites.

    Why does the WTS leave out Deut. 21:10-13?

    (Deuteronomy 21:10-13) 10 “In case you go out to the battle against your enemies and Jehovah your God has given them into your hand and you have carried them away captive; 11 and you have seen among the captives a woman beautiful in form, and you have got attached to her and taken her for your wife, 12 you must then bring her into the midst of your house. She must now shave her head and attend to her nails, 13 and remove the mantle of her captivity from off her and dwell in your house and weep for her father and her mother a whole lunar month; and after that you should have relations with her, and you must take possession of her as your bride, and she must become your wife. . .

    Notice though that Ezra had them send away these foreign wives despite Deut. 21:10-13; and he had them send away the children. So are men who become jws to send away their non-jw wives and children or if their wives leave the WTS, divorce them and send away their children?

    (Ezra 10:44) 44 These all had accepted foreign wives, and they proceeded to send away wives along with sons.

    But what does the NT say?

    (1 Corinthians7:12,13)12 But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him, let him not leave her;13 and a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and yet he is agreeable to dwelling with her, let her not leave her husband.

    7 If a dedicated servant of Jehovah

    married an unbeliever, this would be

    an act of disobedience to God. The Israelites

    of Ezra’s day acted unfaithfully

    by giving “a dwelling to foreign wives,”

    and it would be wrong to try to water

    down the plain statements of the Scriptures.

    (Ezra 10:10; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15) A

    Christian who marries an unbeliever is

    not exemplary and lacks real appreciation

    for God’s gift of marriage. Entering

    such a union after baptism can cost

    one some privileges among God’s people.

    And it would be illogical to expect

    blessings while admitting in prayer, ‘Jehovah,

    I deliberately disobeyed you, but

    please bless me anyway.’

    COMMENTS

    So would an Israelite be disobeying God if he married a non-believer as Deut. 21:10-13 says?

    A Christian = only a jw

    Unbeliever = all non-jws

    So what privileges would a woman lose? Answering at the meetings, being in the school, going door to door? Never saw it ever. But if a male jw who was an MS or elder did sound, stage, attendant, etc., see men have all the privileges…going d2d is not a privilege evidently.

    What about the jws that “deliberately disobeyed” can they expect any future blessings ever from God; will it be held against the rest of their life?

    *** w8611/15 pp.27-28?***

    But how can you say that?’ someone may ask. ‘I know a brother who did not marry a fellow worshiper, and now they are both serving Jehovah.’ True, in a few cases matters have worked out that way, and we are glad that both mates are now “walking in the truth.” (3 John 4) Nevertheless, the brother who married an unbaptized person was disobedient. Will that independent spirit surface once again? Might he be tempted to think he knows better than God and thus disregard Bible counsel and trust in his own wisdom in yet another situation? We are encouraged to ‘trust in Jehovah with all our heart.’ (Proverbs 3:5) That implies submissive compliance with the divine will in all things. So we should want to develop an obedient heart, one meeting the test of obedience even in small things. (Luke 16:10) If we disobey God, what kind of pattern are we developing? The brother who did not ‘marry in the Lord’ probably now recognizes his mistake in doing things his own way and has sought Jehovah’s forgiveness. But is that how you want to initiate your marriage?

    OUR HEAVENLY FATHER KNOWS BEST

    8. Explain why we should follow God’s guidance

    on marriage.

    8 The maker of a machine knows exactly

    how it works. If the device needs

    to be assembled, he can provide the

    necessary details about it. What if we ignore

    the instructions and assemble the

    pieces in our own way? The results are

    likely to be disastrous—if the machine

    works at all. Well, if we are to fulfill a

    desire for happy wedlock, we must follow

    the instructions provided by Jehovah,

    the Maker of marriage.

    COMMENTS

    So there is only one way to build a house? So the architect can build a house and the builder cannot adjust due to experience. Remember in the OT God gave instructions about having more than one wife, how to regulate marriage to a concubine.

    The WTS says that God did not originate polygamy, but he regulated; he did not originate murder, but did he regulate it?

    9. Why can we say that Jehovah understands

    feelings of loneliness as well as the happiness

    possible in marriage?

    9 Jehovah knows everything there is

    to know about mankind and marriage.

    He implanted a sexual need in humans

    so that they would “be fruitful and become

    many.” (Gen. 1:28) God understands

    feelings of loneliness, for prior

    to creating the first woman, he said:

    “The man’s being alone is not good; I

    will make him a helper to match him.”

    (Gen. 2:18, Byington) Jehovah is also fully

    aware of the joy possible within the

    bonds of matrimony.—Read Proverbs 5:

    15-18.

    COMMENTS

    The sex is for procreation not love and pleasure?

    Why Byington, what is wrong with the NWT, perhaps the use of the word “complement” which means to make perfect or complete.

    (Genesis 2:18, 19)18 And Jehovah God went on to say: “It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.”

    10. What factors should govern the intimate

    relations of Christian marriage mates?

    10 Because of the sin and imperfection

    passed on to the human race by

    sinful Adam, no present-day marriage

    is perfect. Among Jehovah’s servants,

    however, wedlock can result in true

    happiness if God’s Word is followed.

    For instance, consider Paul’s clear

    counsel on intimate relations in marriage.

    (Read 1 Corinthians 7:1-5.)

    It is not Scripturally required that marriage

    mates limit sexual relations to

    efforts to produce offspring. Such intimacy

    can rightly fill emotional and

    physical needs. But perverted practices

    certainly do not please God. Christian

    husbands and wives will undoubtedly

    want to handle this important aspect

    of their life with tenderness, allowing

    them to display genuine affection for

    each other. And, of course, they should

    avoid any actions that would displease

    Jehovah.

    COMMENTS

    So does this imply if a marriage is not happy that the Bible is not being followed…what if the jw husband is abusive…is it the wife’s fault or responsibility to make things happy?

    (1 Peter 3:1) 3 In like manner, YOU wives, be in subjection to YOUR own husbands, in order that, if any are not obedient to the word, they may be won without a word through the conduct of [their] wives,

    So what scriptures do not require sex to produce offspring?

    What actions would displease God…anal and oral intercourse because it is from the homosexual community. One sister told me the elders advised her it was not oral intercourse if she did not get closer than 1 inch with her tongue to the penis!!!!

    *** w77 3/15 p.176 par.16***

    Perverted practices engaged in by homosexuals, who, in such practice, do not have natural, normal copulation between themselves, have been adopted also by some married couples in search of greater “thrills,” specifically oral and anal copulation.

    11. How was Ruth blessed for doing things Jehovah’s

    way?

    11Wedlock should be filled with joy,

    not unhappiness and drudgery. Especially

    should a Christian home be a

    place of rest and peace. Consider what

    happened some 3,000 years ago when

    the aged widow Naomi and her widowed

    daughters-in-law, Orpah and

    Ruth, were on the road from Moab to Judah.

    Naomi urged the younger women

    to return to their people. The Moabitess

    Ruth stuck with Naomi, was faithful to

    the true God, and was assured ‘a perfect

    wage from Jehovah, under whose

    wings she sought refuge.’ (Ruth 1:9; 2:

    12) With great appreciation for God’s

    gift of marriage, Ruth became the wife

    of elderly Boaz, a true worshipper of Jehovah.

    When resurrected on earth in

    God’s new world, she will be delighted

    to learn that she became an ancestress

    of Jesus Christ. (Matt. 1:1, 5, 6; Luke 3:

    23, 32) What blessings she received for

    doing things Jehovah’s way!

    COMMENTS

    I wonder how many jw husbands do dishes, laundry, change diapers, etc.? drudgery…

    So if you do it right, you can find a wealthy husband with status in the congregation with one foot on a banana peel.

    I wonder if Ruth will be happy to find out that she won’t have to choose between her 2 husbands because the resurrected won’t marry on earth?

    PICTURE: Ruth showed appreciation for God’s gift of marriage (Ruth’s first husband was an Israelite who had moved to Moab with his family. I wonder if Ruth worshipped the Israelite god during that marriage…I don’t think so. I wonder if her Israelite husband was showing appreciation for his god by marrying a non-Israelite despite God’s command?)

    SOUND COUNSEL FOR

    SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE

    12. Where can one find sound counsel on wedlock?

    12 The Maker of marriage tells us

    what we need to know about successful

    wedlock. No human knows as

    much. The Bible is always right, and

    the only way anyone can direct attention

    to sound counsel on marriage is

    to stick to the standards set out in the

    Scriptures. For instance, the apostle

    Paul wrote under inspiration: “Let each

    one of you individually so love his wife

    as he does himself; on the other hand,

    the wife should have deep respect for

    her husband.” (Eph. 5:33) There is nothing

    about such Biblical counsel that mature

    Christians cannot understand. The

    question is, Will they apply Jehovah’s

    Word? They will if they really appreciate

    his gift of marriage.*

    *For detailed discussions of marriage, see chapters

    10 and 11 of the book “Keep Yourselves in God’s

    Love.”

    http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=QrYQCsVrGlBBX

    COMMENTS

    Remember David was a worshipper of Jehovah; he had several wives but still took the wife of another man and had him killed to cover it up. Who knows who was David’s first wife……….Michal…Saul’s daughter….remember she was cursed with infertility by God.

    “There is nothing about Biblical counsel that mature Christians (jws) cannot understand.” Of course, only if they go to the WTS publications and the elders for guidance.

    I wonder what scripture the elders used for the 1 inch rule?

    13. What may result from failure to follow the

    counsel found at 1 Peter 3:7?

    13 A Christian husband is to deal lovingly

    with his wife. The apostle Peter

    wrote: “You husbands, continue dwelling

    in like manner with them according

    to knowledge, assigning them honor

    as to a weaker vessel, the feminine

    one, since you are also heirs with them

    of the undeserved favor of life, in order

    for your prayers not to be hindered.”

    (1 Pet. 3:7) A husband’s prayers can be

    hindered if he does not apply Jehovah’s

    counsel. The spiritual condition of both

    mates is likely to be affected detrimentally,

    possibly leading to great stress,

    quarrels, and acts of harshness.

    COMMENTS

    How many times has the WTS used “weaker vessel” to mean that women are emotionally weak, subject to the “vicissitudes” of their monthly menstruations?

    How many husbands think that God even sees or cares about what they are doing? After all the elders excuse their abuses under the umbrella of imperfection.

    14. A loving wife can have what influence on

    family life?

    14 A wife who is guided by Jehovah’s

    Word and his holy spirit can do much

    to make her home a place of tranquillity

    and happiness. It is natural for a

    God-fearing husband to love his wife

    and protect her physically and spiritually.

    She yearns for his love, and that requires

    that she be lovable. “The truly

    wise woman has built up her house,”

    says Proverbs 14:1, “but the foolish one

    tears it down with her own hands.” A

    wise and loving wife contributes greatly

    to the success and happiness of her

    family. She also shows that she really

    appreciates God’s gift of marriage.

    COMMENTS

    So this implies if a home is not peaceful or tranquil, it is the wife’s fault. She is there to appease and accept the abuse of her husband. I have known elders who abuse their wives and the other elders know and tell the wife to look at 1 Peter to see that the bible puts the blame on them.

    So if a husband is not acting with love toward his wife it is because she is not being lovable?!

    A good marriage honors Jehovah and

    can bring great happiness to everyone

    in the family

    15. What counsel is found at Ephesians 5:

    22-25?

    15 Husbands and wives who base

    their union on Jesus’ example in dealing

    with his congregation show gratitude

    for God’s gift of marriage. (Read Ephesians

    5:22-25.) What blessings spouses

    enjoy when they truly love each other

    and never let pride, the childish silent

    treatment, or other unchristian traits

    mar their marriage!

    COMMENTS

    So how are they prideful? And who gives the silent treatment? I know of one husband who went 1 year without talking to his wife, using the children as messengers.

    LET NO ONE PUT THEM APART

    16. Why do some Christians remain single?

    16 Although most people plan to get

    married at some point in life, certain

    servants of Jehovah remain single because

    they cannot find a mate pleasing

    to them and to Him. Others have the

    God-given gift of singleness, allowing

    them to devote themselves to Jehovah’s

    service without the distractions of marriage.

    Of course, singleness is to be enjoyed

    within the limits set by Jehovah.

    —Matt. 19:10-12; 1 Cor. 7:1, 6, 7, 17.

    COMMENTS

    Christians = servants of Jehovah = only jws

    What does it mean “singleness is to be enjoyed within the limits set by Jehovah.”

    17. (a) What words of Jesus regarding marriage

    should we bear in mind? (b) If any Christian

    should even begin to covet another person’s

    marriage mate, what should he do

    without delay?

    17 Whether single or married, all of

    us need to bear in mind Jesus’ words:

    “Did you not read that he [God] who

    created them from the beginning made

    them male and female and said, ‘For

    this reason a man will leave his father

    and his mother and will stick to his

    wife, and the two will be one flesh’?

    So that they are no longer two, but one

    flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked

    together let no man put apart.” (Matt.

    19:4-6) Coveting another person’s marriage

    mate is a sin. (Deut. 5:21) If any

    Christian begins to entertain such a covetous

    desire, he or she should act quickly

    to rout out the unclean desire, even at

    the cost of great emotional pain because

    of having allowed selfish cravings to develop.

    (Matt. 5:27-30) It is vital to correct

    such thinking and suppress the sinful

    yearning of a treacherous heart.—Jer. 17:9.

    COMMENTS

    Coveting another person’s marriage mate is a sin = what about taking another’s mate like David did, was that a sin, a capitol offense?

    Is it true that male jws are more prone to viewing pornography than female jws? Does the WTS consider this a sin?

    18. How do you feel that we ought to view

    God’s gift of marriage?

    18 Even many of those who have

    known little or nothing about Jehovah

    God and his wonderful gift of marriage

    have shown at least a measure of gratitude

    for the marital bond. How much

    more so should we who are dedicated to

    “the happy God,” Jehovah, rejoice in all

    of his provisions and give evidence that

    we really appreciate God’s gift of marriage!—

    1 Tim. 1:11.

    COMMENTS

    Give evidence = obey the WTS rules even when the change.

    There was a time when you could not scripturally divorce a mate who was homosexual…then it changed and you could; but if you had disobeyed before the light shone from the WTS and were divorced and remarried and df’d, the df’ing was still valid.

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/07/watchtower-divorce-homosexual-cheating.html

    PICTURE: Do you show you really appreciate Jehovah’s gift of marriage (so how many of you had a nice evening of music, where is a jw encouraged to waste time learning how to play an instrument, I don’t see their lips moving either, is that a WTS approved songbook?)

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    I was told by separate elders that if one jw mate was df’d and then divorced their mate, it was not counted statistically as a jw divorce although a jw marriage was ended. I’m getting the message that troubled marriages continue to be a problem and a growing one in the WTS.

    NEXT WEEK, TAKE A POSITIVE VEW OF A STRAINED MARRIAGE.

    Love, Blondie

  • PaintedToeNail
    PaintedToeNail

    Reading this 'marriage' article made me sick! To think I used to try to force myself to believe this stuff. Thanks blondie for the excellent recap.

  • JakeM2012
    JakeM2012

    Thank you Blondie, I appreciate your dedication on WT comments, excellent review week after week. I can imagine that you probably don't get called on much.

    Paragraph 1 read:

    "How happy the first man, Adam, was to receive

    a wife! No wonder he waxed poetic! After Jehovah

    had caused Adamto fall into a deep sleep, He

    created this beautiful woman fromone of the man’s

    ribs.Adamlater named her Eve"

    Bondie or anyone, can you explain what "waxed poetic" means. I've looked in the dictionary under the definition of waxed and find nothing appropriate, I have never heard this expression before, (perhaps I am naive?) I wonder how this was translated.

    I was just wondering how my fleshly brother handled this article serving as the wt study conductor in the local congregation while serving at Bethel. Recently his wife divorced him (Yes, there are several that have expressed concern about his acceptance at bethel shortly after her divorce and his attending the congregation of his former wife.) I imagine there were a lot of "let's read the next paragraph's" going on.

    Of course, we are not questioning the appointment of elders, we would never do that.

    But then what do I care, he has always been a self-serving and selfish jerk that cares nothing about other people including his former wife.

  • NOLAW
    NOLAW

    I am a pervy! LOL

    Quiz: How many JW wifes do a bl****b are pervert?

    A product of evolution or a marvel of Jehovah's creation?

    NOLAW

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    Thanks for your comments, blondie, an excellent job as always. I think you are right to say this article is indicative of the growing problem of troubled marriages among Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of the married Witness men I knew were not good husbands. They were ignorant, chauvinistic, selfish and indifferent to the needs of their children and particularly their wives. Doubtless this has been called to the attention of the Governing Body, hence this and next week's study articles. Considering the WTS's own retrograde thinking, I doubt these studies will do much good in reversing the trend.

    Quendi

  • Ding
    Ding

    So what privileges would a woman lose? Answering at the meetings, being in the school, going door to door? Never saw it ever. But if a male jw who was an MS or elder did sound, stage, attendant, etc., see men have all the privileges…going d2d is not a privilege evidently.

    The idea of adults having to earn the "privilege" to do this stuff is ridiculous.

    It's like the "privilege" of painting Tom Sawyer's fence...

  • dgp
    dgp

    Nevertheless, the brother who married an unbaptized person was disobedient. Will that independent spirit surface once again?

    So the real problem with "not marrying in the Lord" is one of "potential disobedience"?

    Although most people plan to get

    married at some point in life, certain

    servants of Jehovah remain single because

    they cannot find a mate pleasing

    to them and to Him.

    Considering that no JW can be sure of making it to the Future System of Things, how do they know what mate is "pleasing to Him"?

    Just wondering.

  • linuxbob
    linuxbob

    I not being baptised, have been married for 30 years of which my wife has been baptised for 26 years.

    We must be doing something right.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    With great appreciation for God’s gift of marriage, Ruth became the wife of elderly Boaz, a true worshipper of Jehovah.

    Actually, she married Boaz because he was rich. There's no reference to them worshipping Jehovah. He was old and rich, she was young and fertile. It's a "love story" not unique to the Bible.

    Because the Shulammite and the shepherd primarily loved God, their marital bond would be strong indeed.

    Haha, there's no reference to either of them really loving God. The girl didn't refuse to marry Solomon because it would be wrong in God's eyes. She didn't marry him because she was hot for the shepherd and she knew that he was hot for her... and only her... and for every inch of her body. The hot young woman marries the hot young guy rather than the rich old guy. Again, another "love story" not unique to the Bible.

    And since we're talking about wise King Solomon, how was it that he was given divine wisdom greater than any other man, and what does he decide to do in all his wisdom? Marry lots of pagan women. So there you have the example of what a divinely wise man does.

    Somehow in this article, WT failed to mention the Bible book of Esther. If it hadn't been for Esther marrying a rich and powerful pagan, the Jewish nation of Yahwehists would have been extinguished. There's lots of stuff in the Big Book of Jewish Fables that WT corporation deliberately chooses to ignore.

    And thanks again, Blondie!

  • dgp
    dgp

    This reminds me of an old and perhaps bad joke about a man going to a priest for confession.

    Man: Forgive me father, for I have sinned.

    Priest: What did you do?

    Man: I was at this party, met Sophia Loren, went out with her, and ended up sleeping with her.

    Priest: OK, let me get this right. You slept with Sophia Loren, and you're here to tell me you're sorry for that? You moron?

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