Jehovah protects Jehovah's Witnesses !!! Have you heard this? (page 2)

smiddy

Jehovah`s Witnesses speak with a forked tongue

smiddy

BroMac

at the convention i went to last weekend the "as a group" became "collectively" exact word used.

Just as with these poor souls in the report above, Jehovah must have been looking the other way when my son was murdered. This whole topic troubles me so much, and always has. The supposed blessings or protection from Jehovah are so capriciously 'distributed' as to be a bigger mystery of God than the trinity. Yet, JWs are quick to attribute to their Jehovah credit for any minor fortuitous happenstance or action from fellow humans that benefits them.

For example, the day after my dear Glendon died, his JW wife had a gaggle of JWs around her assisting with various necessary things (and I do not mean to imply that I am ungrateful for the way they rallied around her; they did help immensely). Arrangements for his body had to be made, and I heard one of the JW women make a comment to the following effect: Jehovah must be watching out for us/his wife since the first funeral home we called on the list of those recommended by the sheriff's department, the one said to be most economical, did not answer the phone. Now the second one we called has offered to pay for all the expenses and charge nothing to the family. While this act of compassion by the funeral home (Franklin and Downs in Modesto, CA--they were absolutely wonderful to us) was certainly a blessing, I could barely contain myself at the stupidity of this JW 'sister's' comment. The obvious question that they never seemed to see was screaming in my mind. Where was Jehovah when Glendon was getting his chest blown apart? Could Jehovah not have seen fit to protect one of his faithful servants by merely deflecting a bullet a fraction of a degree so that Glendon did not die? No, Jehovah failed to do what he as god might have done so easily, leaving the only mercy to come from human agencies like funeral directors who show their compassion freely to our stricken family.

Another case that I know of personally: A long-time JW couple was traveling to a circuit assembly on a route that included some rural roads. As they drove only a few minutes from the Assembly hall, their car was struck by another vehicle speeding through a stop sign on a cross street. Both JWs were gravely injured and bleeding out at the scene. Another JW came along immediately after the accident and tried to offer first aid at the scene. The couple survived, although with long recovery times and permanent effects. The 'blessing' I heard later was that, thank Jehovah, the JW who helped had some spare Watchtowers in his car which he was able to use as a compress on the victims' wounds so as to stop the bleeding. Once again, Jehovah ignores the obvious blessing of a minute speed difference which would make the accident a non-event, but sure comes through with the power of the Watchtower as a first aid tool. Praise Jah.

BroMac

truman so sorry about what happened, it seems to me that jw's in general hold to the 'god of all comfort' in the most non sensical situations, like your experience you described, God is looking after us in our time of need

no God would have looked after Glendon and everyone who knew him by dodging a bullet.

I hope somehow it becomes easier to cope...

{{{big hug to you truman}}}

still thinking

truman...I have missed you. ((((((((((((truman))))))))))))

It is incredibly frustrating when people offer stupid beliefs as consolation for anothers loss. As you said, if he is real...he sure is crappy at picking his moments to step in and give assistance.

The stupidity of some people knows no bounds when it comes to what constitutes spiritual help.

I hope you are feeling stronger...I would love you to update your thread or better still start another about how you are doing these days. (that other thread was getting lots of bugs)

King Solomon

Awwww, the old theodicy issue, the greatest unanswered question of the Bible: why does God seemingly allow bad things to happen?

This is where the Bible shot-guns an answer, and to paraphrase what the Apple commercial says ("there's an app for that"), "there's a scripture for that": bad things happen to evil-doers as punishment, good things happen to do-gooders as a blessing, bad things happen to do-gooders because the Devil or God is testing you (see Job), or if nothing else fits, "unforeseen circumstances befall all". The Bible is like a Hallmark Store, a scripture for every occasion, for every sentiment you wish to express, so choose whichever fits.

Of course, what these people are really trying to do is insulate THEMSELVES from life's uncertainties, in order to maintain a sense of having control over THEIR lives, a way to shelter themselves. They feel compelled to do something when seeing the pain of others, and feel helpless by not be able to offer ANYTHING to alleviate the suffering; so they offer their false hope instead. Think about it: they probably wouldn't cling to hope so tightly, as if it were a life-raft, if they HAD something else, right?

They cannot simply say, "I'm sorry you've experienced your loss", and leave it at that. That makes THEM feel hopeless since they know there's nothing THEY can personally do to fix the situation, but they feel a need to put that tag on: "but i know someone who CAN...."

So they must fill that awkward silence by babbling, seemingly unaware that the "cure all" which works for them is NOT a "one size fits all" remedy (and in fact only offers a sting to some, at a vulnerable moment in their life after suffering some loss).

The old saying goes that the road to Hell is paved by those with good-intentions.

Like Jesus said, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do".

Balaamsass

Truman, we are all so sorry for your loss. Nothing is like the loss of a child. We have heard the moronic comments too. "strap on a bookbag and you will feel better"..... All the stories about WW2 and the Nazis made no sense to me as a kid. One story COs would tell was about the "invisible watchtowers"....yet I would ask mom "then why did all the JWs get killed?" The only answer I got was "shut-up"

3rdgen

Truman, You have my deepest sympathy. It's been 8 years since I lost my son and still the sting of missing him is overwhelming at times. In my experience, JW's are particularly insensitive as a group because of the influence of their stupid beliefs. (((((((Truman)))))))

King Soloman, I agree that people in general can't handle the randomness of life and NEED to credit/blame someone for every bad or good thing that happens. They want to in effect, earn lottery tickets for the odds to increase in their favor. Ahhhhhhhhh, if ONLY life were fair.

smiddy

Truman i am so sorry for your loss , my deepest sympathy . The funeral home of Franklin and Downs in Modesto Ca.came to your assistance in your time of need and waived the fees they were entitled to , a marvellous gesture , and this firm not being jehovah`s Witnesses, but probably made up of various other faiths, would be classed along with all non witnesses as deserving of destruction at armaggedon.

The Society/organization of Jehovah`s Witnesses didn`t offer to pay for the funeral expenses. What`s that scripture ? go in peace take care , but offer no assistance (especially of a financial nature )

"By their fruits you will know them"

smiddy

truman

Thank you still thinking, Balaamsass, BroMac, and 3rdgen for your hugs and good thoughts. Still thinking, I will make a new thread soon. I appreciate that suggestion, but perhaps I need to wait until I can reach a somewhat less negative place than I seem to be at presently. So many days I feel very hopeless. I try to believe that this will not always be the way.

3rdgen, I am so sorry to learn that you, too, have to bear this terrible misery. I know that it always retains the power to rise up with full emotional force undimmed with time. I have begun to feel that I must reject the language of healing and recovery that so is so often used in connection with grief. The way I see it, healing is not even a relevant term. Healing implies that what has been injured regains its former health, and that can never happen when one’s child is dead. The best I have been able to reach is to think of it in terms simply of movement, or if I am in a better frame of mind, perhaps of growth that accommodates the pain but works to develop functional ways of being along with it.

I am thinking about the ways that JWs deal with the very human need to find explanation and meaning for the random acts of tragedy that come into our lives at various times (and as I write this, the news is breaking about a horrific mass shooting in Aurora, CO where 14 have been shot to death and many others wounded at a premiere of the new Batman movie). JWs are no different than any of us in needing to make some sense of what seems so senseless. The problem with their narratives in which Jehovah gets all credit for any good, minor and major, and no accountability for the pain and suffering that is an unavoidable part of human existence is that it is such threadbare comfort. They are told to “throw their burdens on Jehovah,” but the reply through his surrogate borganization is only “do more”— more meetings, more service, more obedience. They develop a sadly distorted version of the very slave mentality the WT so often touts as the proper mental state for JWs, something like an abused dog, chained to his doghouse and licking his master’s hand for what few casually tossed crumbs he can get.

Jehovah protects Jehovah's Witnesses !!! Have you heard this?

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