Crisis of Conscience, Apostacy and the Antichrist (page 2)

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16. Apostasy: Apostasy is a standing away from

true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion,

abandonment. It includes the following:

• Celebrating false religious holidays: (Ex. 32:

4-6; Jer. 7: 16-19) Not all holidays directly involve

false religion and require judicial action.

• Participation in interfaith activities: (2 Cor

6:14, 15, 17, 18) Apostate acts include bowing before

altars and images and sharing in false religious

songs and prayers.-Rev. 18:2, 4.

• Deliberately spreading teachings contrary

to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses:

(Acts 21:21, ftn. 2 John 7, 9, 10) Any

with sincere doubts should be helped. Firm,

loving counsel should be given. (2 Tim. 2:16-19,

23-26; Jude 22, 23) lf one obstinately is speaking

about or deliberately spreading false teachings,

this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is

no response after a first and a second admonition,

a judicial committee should be formed.

-Titus 3:10,11; w891O/1 p. 19; w86 4/1 pp. 30-

31; w86 3/15 p. 15.

• Causing divisions and promoting sects: This

would be deliberate action disrupting the unity

of the congregation or undermining the confidence

of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.

It may involve or lead to apostasy.-Rom. 16:17,

18; Titus 3:10, 11; it-2 p. 886.

• Continuing in employment that makes one

an accomplice to or a promoter of false

worship would subject one to disfellowshipping

after being allowed a reasonable amount of

time, perhaps up to six months, to make the

needed adjustments.-w99 4/15 pp. 28-30; km

9/76 pp. 3-6.

• The practice of spiritism.-Deut. 18:9-13; 1 Cor

10:21, 22; Gal. 5:20.

• Idolatry: (1 Cor 6:9, 10; 10:14) Idolatry includes

the use of images, including pictures, in

false religious worship.

SHEPHERD THE FLOCK OF GOD (2010)

Konceptual99, I'm in a similar situation. Still in and don't want to be forced out too quickly. Sadly if you really look at it, JWs are an organization of Apostates. We teach a lot of things that are not in line with what Christ taught and what Christians in the first century believed. Check out two scriptures- Galatians 1:6 and 5:1. On whose authority do we teach a new good news? Surely not Christ's. The latter scripture shows that we have freedom as Christians. The JW view and definition of Apostasy goes way beyond what the scritpures say and is judgemental as well. Should we judge?

What I don't understand is: why do you think you have to comply when some day the elders confront you? You don't. Should I find myself in the situation that my doubts and beliefs that are contrary to WT doctrine become known to the elders, I will simply ignore them. Should they try to force a judicial committee on me, I won't go along with it, they can't force me. The authority they have only goes as far as we let them and we don't have to waste our time reasoning with them. And while we should try to be peacable, we don't have to make it easy for them to enforce policies that are not really scriptural.

If you really want to minimize risk, don't speak about your doubts to anyone still "in".

nugget

Remember that the Bible was writen about specific people at a specific time. The organisation would take the place of the early congregation and thus state that anyone rejecting their viewpoint is an apostate. However you have to test this claim since if they are not Gods representatives then they are in no place to judge on others.

Nothing is as it seems and every assumption should be tested.

konceptual99

Hi Sauerkraut,

You're absolutely right, I don't have to comply and at some point I probably won't. The reality is though that a confrontation could happen at some point when it is not convienient to me (specifically when my wife and family are not ready to easily accept the situation) and then the interactions with the elders becomes a game. I know how to play the game on thing like field service, reporting, qualifications etc. but with something like this there is a very fine line between a situation where you are still accepted and one where you are in an escalating confrontation that can end up in disfellowshipping before you know it and can control it. It is sill a game however and I am looking for strategies on how to play.

You are also right about speaking out to anyone and I am taking care with that. What may start to force issues however is if I come off as an MS or my meeting attendance/fs participation gives cause for concern. At the moment remaining an MS prevents alot of questions but my conscience on this may change at some point in the future.

Who knows, I may at some point just go "what the heck"!

Sauerkraut

Konceptual99, I sent you a PM.

wasblind

ACT:1:8 " YOU WILL RECIEVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ARRIVES UPON YOU, AND YOU WILL BE WITNESSES OF ME ( JESUS )"

" Charateristics of Apostacy "

making profession of faith in God’s Word, apostates may forsake his service by treating lightly the preaching and teaching work that he assigned to followers of Jesus Christ. (Lu 6:46; Mt 24:14; 28:19, 20)

Question: What did Jesus assign to his followers in Acts 1:8 ? And

why would the holy spirit direct something other than what Jesus assigned in ACTS 1:8

" Charateristica of apostasy "

They ( Apostates ) may also claim to serve God but reject his representatives, his visible organization,

Question: Who did God send as a visible representative on earth , and who did Jesus organize , and what did Jesus tell them in Acts 1:8 ????

" Characteristicts of Apostacy "

Apostates often seek to make others their followers. (Ac 20:30; 2Pe 2:1, 3)

" IF SOMEONE SAYS : CHRISTIANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WITNESSES FOR JESUS NOT JEHOVAH, YOU MAY REPLY :

But here is something that may be a new thought to you. of whom was Jesus the " Faithful witness "_____Reasoning Book page 208

Galatians 1:8 warns " However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed "

" AntiChrist : means against or instead of Christ "_____Reasoning book page 32

Question: who was the good news about and whose name was the Apostles ordered to stop preachin' and Teachin'

The WTS is the Antichrist

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respectful_observer

Interesting, I never noticed this before:

"Not all holidays directly involve false religion and require judicial action."

I'd be curious to know which holidays a JW could celebrate without being threatened with "judicial action?"

konceptual99

Does a birthday count as a holiday that directly involves false religion?

Fernando

Hey koncetual99!

Could a definition of apostasy be of any use to you personally?

As leavingwt pointed out, reasoning with the Pharisees and Sanhedrin is a "fools errand". Why have a discussion about colour with someone who prefers blindness to sightedness?

At any rate apostasy is "spiritual unfaithfulness" to the "God of Abraham" and his message the gospel. It is primarily practiced by the Pharisees and Sanhedrin, who as spiritual prostitutes wantonly fornicate with the "god of religion".

There is nothing they secretly hate and fear more than their nemesis, the gospel according to Paul, Moses, Isaiah and Psalms.

wt library search - aposta* unfaithful* (set to paragraph scope, display results from Bible only)

wasblind

Does a birthday count as a holiday that directly involves false religion?_____Konceptual99

The Reasoning book doesn't really explain the religious part but it does qoute secular sources on the matter,

As we all know, the WTS only qoute sources to back up what the WTS try to convey

as reasons against celebratin'

" The greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon, who attended his birth and watched over him in life, this spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born"_______Reasoning book page 69

Example : Famous " URBAN LEGEND " told by Witnesses about the sister who knocked on a killers door, and the killer saw her " protective spirit"

and left her alone

" Birthday candles , in folk belief are endowed with special magic for granting wishes"_______Reasoning book page 70

Question: Can you guess what Pharoah and King Herrod wished for on thier birthdays

Darn !!!!! I must be wishin' on the wrong candles

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