Is the Governing Body EVIL or IGNORANT?

by cedars 82 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Lurker555

  A recent CO talk using Numbers 14:1-4 said not to be the one bringing a

  bad report. I have a feeling they don't care if the bad report is true or

  not, just that it is bad. Conti Case perhaps is an example. I believe the

  message was if you know of something true don't talk about it if it could

  cause problems with people's faith or else.

  Evil. Satan = angel of light, his ministers = ministers of rightousness.

  The context surrounding Numbers 14:1-4 is a false report or a lack of faith report.

  A true report regardless of negativity should be aloud. (IMO)
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  tootired2care

  A recent CO talk using Numbers 14:1-4 said not to be the one bringing a bad report.

  Wow...So much for being the truth! I don't suppose you have a recording of this talk do you?
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  Quendi

  I appreciate the analysis which Cedars has given. I would like to say that I believe the Governing Body is willfully and deliberately obstinate which is part and parcel of the evil they do so that there can be no excuse for the crimes they have committed. Others have commented on knowing certain people who were victims of the purges at Bethel down through the years and I would like to add to that series of experiences.

  I was part of a group looking closely at WTS doctrine, particularly its interpretation of prophecy. We were headed by a man who had done an intense study and had come to the same conclusion as several others, namely that the belief the Gentile Times lasted 2,520 years and ended in 1914 had no scriptural foundation. And like these others, he sent his research to Bethel to have it examined. He asked that any errors or mistakes be pointed out and he would gladly make corrections. The aim was to get at the truth and not to glorify men.

  He never received any correction and there was some initial interest in the research. However, as time went by the interest waned to be followed by silence. Then the blow fell: he was disfellowshipped in absentia on orders from Brooklyn.

  So I don’t believe the Governing Body is working in blissful ignorance. Down through the years they have been alerted time and time again that they are teaching falsehoods; that their claim to being God’s exclusive channel of communication is untrue; and that the foundation of the religion is unsound. Their response has been to aggressively move to silence their critics. Carl Olaf Jonsson knows this as do other serious researchers. No, the Governing Body is interested only, wholly and solely in maintaining the power it has over rank-and-file Witnesses, the truth be damned. As far as I’m concerned, they are no better than the scribes and Pharisees Jesus condemned in the twenty-third chapter of Matthew’s gospel and those words apply equally to them.

  Quendi
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  Lurker555

  A recent CO talk using Numbers 14:1-4 said not to be the one bringing a bad report.

  Wow...So much for being the truth! I don't suppose you have a recording of this talk do you?

  Yes, I have a recording, but it contains too many identifiers of who I am. The part about

  Numbers 14:1-4 starts at 32:45 or so and I don't know how to break it down into a 4

  minute recording.

  It starts out as a kinda negative comment about the media saying that people today think

  they're an authority on everything and then gives the media as an example.
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  wannabefree

  Lurker ... you can break down your talk with

  audacity .. you can convert to MP3 if it is in wav format, requires the lame plugin

  Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

  Lame plugin install information http://manual.audacityteam.org/help/manual/man/faq_installation_and_plug_ins.html#lame
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  3rdgen

  Quendi, How can anyone read your post and make a different conclusion? Way back in 1956 Bill Cetnar had serious issues with the NWT and thoroughly explained his reasons to those in charge (this is before the GB arrangement). What happened? He was DFed and thrown out of Bethel. He was a family friend at the time so I know this 1st hand.

  Decade after decade has passed. Serious Bible students with no adjenda other than to arrive at the truth have related their findings to the GB only to find the valid information dismissed or worse, DFed. Some of these people have even been of the remnant. So much for the "Faithful and Discrete Slave" dispensing the food at the proper time. They are NEVER asked for their opinion and when they offer it it is rejected. The GB has inserted itself between the flock and Jesus. Were the PHarasees ignorant? Hardly!

  I think some are confusing ignorance with stupidy when it comes to the GB. They are probably ignorant of how the law works in the case of their legal matters. But they are definately NOT ignorant about their teachings and prophesys being wrong. They have been told repetedly. Instead of changing, they choose to kill the messengers.

  And yes, they are cowards with good reason. They know what will happen if they disagree with the majority.
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  outsmartthesystem

  "Yes, I have a recording, but it contains too many identifiers of who I am. The part about

  Numbers 14:1-4 starts at 32:45 or so and I don't know how to break it down into a 4

  minute recording. "

  Can you find a way to get a copy of it to Cedars or another trusted senior member of this site? I am sure they can extract just the section out that you want
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  rip van winkle

  When men in authority allow irreparable harm of children and families for years,

  and do nothing to change it;when it is in their power to do so, is that evil?
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  Cold Steel

  As recently as in the June 15, 2012 WT Study this arrogant bunch on page 7 par 1 boasted: ‘Which governments will be dominating the earth when God’s Kingdom brings an end to human rulership? We know the answer—it has been disclosed to us by the “Revealer of secrets,” Jehovah God.’

  “ Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. ”

  “ The Lord God hath spoken, who can but prophesy? ” Amos 3:7-8

  Notice the ambiguous language used here? This statement leads the reader to think that “Jehovah” has revealed something to the hierarchy (“it has been disclosed to us”). But if you ask them if this came as a revelation from God, they’ll most likely say that it was disclosed to them via the scriptures. It’s clear that they believe that they will constitute the replacement government. In other words, when the governments of the world fail, they believe that they will be calling the shots.

  The promise Amos declared that the Lord God would do nothing save he reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets. The question is, does the Governing Board consider itself as a prophet? One gets the impression that the leadership would love to be able to claim the gift of prophecy and revelation, but it can’t. So it falls back on its scriptural exegesis. If not…if I’m wrong, then let the leadership boldly declare that it has been the recipient of divine guidance. If the Governing Board has seen an angel, heard a voice from On High or stumbled upon a burning bush, then let it say so. I think it’s intellectually and spiritually dishonest to imply revelation when it is instead only interpreting scripture!
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  Quendi

  Cold Steel wrote: “I think it is intellectually and spiritually dishonest to imply revelation when [the Governing Body] is instead only interpreting scripture! ” I completely agree and would add that even their interpretation of scripture is false and inconsistent. But that is not the only evil they have done. The list of their crimes is a long one and it is growing, and I can only hope that the End they so devoutly wish will be their own.

  Quendi