OTWO, you just pointed out why that scripture shouldn't matter to Christians anyway.
Why not just say so?
by MrD 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Cold Steel
In John 1:1 why didn't Jesus just say "and the Word was an angel"????
Jehovah’s Witnesses have never understood the identity of Jesus. In fact, Jesus, in his premortal state, was known as…are you ready for this? He was known as Jehovah. There are clues everywhere in both the Old and New Testaments.
When Adam and Eve fell, the Father could no longer have intercourse with the human family. There had to be a mediator, and that mediator was Jehovah. In the meridian of time, Jesus came and fulfilled His role as redeemer. Then He ascended to His Father, and our Father. He will rule throughout the Millennium and at the end, after He has finally defeated Satan and his angels, He will offer the world, glorified and redeemed, back to the Father and His commission will be fulfilled.
The Father’s only communication with man was to bear witness of the Son. But because of man’s sin, man could no longer communicate with the Father except by going through the Son. At some future point, according to Daniel, Jesus will stand before the Ancient of Days and receive supreme power and authority. This did not happen in 1914, by the way. In the Old Testament, and the New as well, Jehovah will be the ultimate judge of mankind. But John states that “the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son.” (See John 5:22) This also explains why Jesus has the same titles as Jehovah, being King of Kings and Lord of Lords; also, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. A careful reading of Revelation also clearly reveals that Jesus and Jehovah are one and the same.
The JWs believe that Jehovah is the Father and that Jesus is Michael. But this is an assumption and is an error. Psalm 110:1-2 states: “ The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. ” The question becomes, who is David’s Lord? Since he was the king, the answer is Jehovah. In essence, the Father is speaking to the Son, and the Son is Jehovah, David’s Lord.
The Son’s role as mediator did not originate during the New Testament, but went back to the Beginning. As soon as Adam partook of the forbidden fruit, that’s when the need for a Mediator came to pass. Thus, when Moses spoke to God face to face, and when the 70 elders of Israel and others saw Jehovah on Mount Sinai, they were seeing the premortal Jesus—the God of Israel.
So it’s a bitter pill for some JWs, and most of them just don’t believe it. That’s fine by me, as they can believe as they wish. The main point is John 1:1, where Jesus is the Word, and the Word was God. The Father also is God, and when Stephen sees Jesus on the right hand of “God,” that God was the Father. And it’s clear that Jesus deferred to the Father, but the fact is, both of them were Gods.
But how can both be Gods when Isaiah says there is only one God, and that God said He knew of no others? Because the oneness of God is a oneness in purpose. We know this because Jesus, when praying, said, “…that they [the apostles] may be ONE, even as WE are ONE.” In other words, the apostles weren’t to be physically one, but one in purpose. And Jesus was drawing an analogy. He was saying to the Father, “In the same sense that WE are ONE, I pray that these, mine apostles, will be ONE.” It couldn’t be clearer. There’s no reason to choke on the “trinity” doctrine or scratch one’s head trying to figure out how Jesus and the Father can both be ONE. The analogy says it all.
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flipper
I think I liked this thread better when it was a blank. So , so, so, so . Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Brap!
Damn those burritos!