WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen 268 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Nambo
    Nambo

    "From what I can see, Bilderberg is not a secret group, but rather one that is invitation-only" Wrote jgnat

    It is really quite recently that Bilderberg existance has been admitted mainstream, mainly due to the likes of "conspiracy theorists" such as Alex Jones bringing undeniable evidence mainstream.

    Not so very long ago at all, the mere mention of the name "bilderberg" brought the usual responce from the usual suspects with their derision and tin foil hat jokes.

    Now they have been exposed they like to downplay their role in shaping the world, but it cannot be denied that they are still a group of very influencial people from all corners of the world who meet together secretly to discuse things that our of mutual benifit and without the consent of the Governments they have been elected to represent.

    http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm has lots of good info if interested.

    In the meantime, will the mentioning of other hidden organisations that have not been exposed to the same extent, (that being finally admitted in the mainstream media), still warrant the same hostile ridicule by those who would rather the world be as they are told to belive it is, until these too become known and accepted as normal, or will people dare to learn from history and apply critical thinking?

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    A critical requirement of thinking is not to believe everything you hear until it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    At one end of the spectrum are the naive and gullible, at the other are the cynics and paranoids. Rationality lies somewhere in between IMO.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I would suggest the spectrum is gullible paranoids <...............> naive cynics. I consider myself a skeptic rather than a cynic, but I've been called naive more than once on these threads. Simply for trusting that institutions generally operate under the mandate by which they were formed.

  • JWB
    JWB

    Don't ask the question WHY before you've asked the questions WHERE, WHEN, HOW and WHAT. Use the TRIVIUM method. Conspiracy is a fact of life (two thieves planning a bank robbery). Sometimes its a case of WHICH conspiracy theory to believe, the official or some other.

    I thought the following information may be of interest to some viewing this thread. The mention of the International Bible Students, Russell and Rutherford does not in my mind prove anything, however I have included a reproduction of one of Lady Queenborough's book's chapters for educational purposes.

    "Edith Starr Miller [Lady Queenborough], the author of this book [Occult Theocrasy], was a British blue blood on par with Princess Diana. She understood occult religions and secret societies as she experienced them first hand--her husband was the 1st Baron of Queenborough, treasurer of the League of Nations and member of British Union of Fascists who helped secure oil monopolies for John D Rockefeller. Shortly after the book's publication, Edith Starr Miller, age 45, died, as even as the occult Grand Lodge of Canada attested, "under suspicious circumstances." Modernists dismiss Edith as "anti-Semitic," a term used by the narrow-minded to end open-minded discussion. Miller's sin? She wrote that Judaism's goal (and secret societies) was to enpower the super rich by controlling education and the mass media. She felt such goals were Satanic in origin. After reading Miller's opus, it is hard to argue otherwise in light of what is occurring in the world today. The work is simply fascinating." - Modern quote by 21st Century writer.

    [archive.org/download/OccultTheocrasy/Queenborough.-.Occult.Theocracy.monumental.expose.of.secret.societies.worldwide.1933.pdf]

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    OCCULT THEOCRASY (BY LADY QUEENBOROUGH - 1933)

    CHAPTER XCVIII

    THE RUSSELLITES

    OR THE INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS

    (Founded 1879)

    The International Bible Student Movement was founded by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916) with the object chiefly of attracting the lower middle class intelligentsia of Christian communities such as certain clerical workers, teachers, servants and persons not accessible to direct forms of propaganda. In America the movement has had great influence among the negro element.

    In 1879 Russell founded The Watch Tower of which he was the sole editor.

    The Russellite teaching, drawing its own arbitrary conclusions and proclaiming them as final, professes to prove from Biblical sources that all Christian churches are evil and corrupt, that the time of the Gentiles ended in 1914, and that the Jews must henceforth reign supreme over the world. It also elaborates an occult dogma alleged to be based on biblical precedents.

    It condemns the Roman Catholic Church, referring to Rome in true esoteric Masonic style as Babylon and disposes of the Pope and his entire hierarchy as agents of the Antichrist who are doomed to extinction according to the familiar Masonic formulas of Albert Pike,
    Mazzini and Co. We are further told on biblical autho-

    [Page 539]

    OCCULT THEOCRASY

    rity, interpreting the following words in Rev. II. 24 "As they speak" that this means that "Satan is a name applicable to Rome as describing its characteristics.'

    The Protestant Episcopal and other Christian churches which in Russell's graphic language are "the Harlot daughters of the Romish Church" and "have committed fornication" which term he interprets as meaning the union of Church and State, so bitterly opposed by the Jews in all countries, fare no better at the pen of this prolific writer, who predicts that, under the visible rulership of the Ancient Worthies (The Jewish Sanhedrin), those Gentiles who still believe in Christ will acknowledge his reign as an invisible one while submitting as Christians to all the hardships these Jewish lords might choose to put upon them.

    Brother Russell gives us little hope for the time of tribulation which is upon us, for on page 122 of The Finished Mystery he wrecks any hopes we might still cherish with regard to benevolent brotherhoods in the following sentence — "As the trouble increases, men will seek, but in vain, for protection in the great rocks and fortresses of society (Freemasonry, Oddfellowship, and Trades Unions, Guilds, Trusts and all societies secular and ecclesiastical) and in the mountains (governments) of the earth".

    The publications of The International Bible Students Association are interesting samples of political propaganda and seem well calculated to suppress possible instincts of revolt among such members of the Christian community as might object to the role allotted to them under the Jewish Super State.

    The present head of this movement is John [Joseph] Rutherford.

    1. The International Bible Students Association, The Finished Mystery, p. 43, pub. 1918.

  • Twitch
    Twitch
    I consider myself a skeptic rather than a cynic, but I've been called naive more than once on these threads. Simply for trusting that institutions generally operate under the mandate by which they were formed.

    Sticks and stones. I tend not to take to heart those who call me down because they don't agree with me. It reflects more on their character than mine.

  • Nambo
    Nambo

    Twitch wrote:- "Sticks and stones. I tend not to take to heart those who call me down because they don't agree with me. It reflects more on their character than mine." Wise words indeed, especially from someone who wrote:- "Your projection is stupid, boring, hypocritical and typically of crybabies. What else do you do except bitch? What else do you do except comiserate and try to recruit other crybabies? Get on with it and your life, if you really want one that you don't blame someone else for." I totally agree with you.

  • Twitch
    Twitch
    "Your projection is stupid, boring, hypocritical and typically of crybabies. What else do you do except bitch? What else do you do except comiserate and try to recruit other crybabies? Get on with it and your life, if you really want one that you don't blame someone else for."
    I totally agree with you.

    Well at least we agree on this. Funny, I thought you had respect for conspiracy theory and it's adherents. So much more informed, enlightened and mature than the rest of us "sheeple", an example we all should emulate.

    lmao

  • maccauk11
    maccauk11

    Charles Taze Russell is buried at the Rosemont United Cemetery, 226 Cemetery Lane, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 15237-2722 which happens to be a masonic site . Apparently his headstone is a pyramid with a satanic symbol on it. I dont knwo if it is true but there are pictures. Russel was deep into angelogy and numerology

  • SnowQueen
    SnowQueen

    It's fascinating to note that modern day Russellites balk at the idea that Russell founded the Jehovah's Witnesses!...

    Russell did not believe in, and he actively preached against, the claim of an exclusive “visible organization” on the earth as the JWs claim. That is simply fact that anyone can verify from Russell’s own writings. Additionally, Russell most certainly did not believe in the Gospel ["Good News"] of the JWs, which includes the glad tidings the millions of people of the world will be eternally destroyed without ever receiving any benefit from the “ransom for all.” That “Gospel” of the JWs most certainly did nor originate from him. This is also a fact that can be proven by examining Russell’s own writings. Thus, it is very misleading to attribute Russell as being founder of a religious group that he did not believe in. Russell’s own works over and over and over again prove that he did not believe in such an “organization” as that of the JWs, nor in the Gospel that the JWs teach. http://ctr.reslight.net

    See also: http://rlctr.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/was-russell-founder-of-jws.htm

  • NoStonecutters
    NoStonecutters

    The plot thickens: Brook Foss Westcott, whose "translation" the New World Translation is based on is accused of being a 33rd degree Freemason.

    Westcott

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    History of Freemasonry Its Antiquities, Symbols, Constitutions, Customs

    By Robert Freke Gould

    Is one book that lists him as such. Hort, might be one as well. Of course, Westcott and Hort were responsible for taking out passages from the Bible that demonstrated Christ's divinity. Now if they were Masons, why did they target Christ's divinity as part of Masonic subversion for the Illuminati??? Westcott and Hort's subversion obviously led to the Watchtower's heretical arian view of Christ.

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