History is full of conspiracies. The reason they are successful is because a great number of people don’t recognize them.
WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?
by SnowQueen 268 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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Prognoser
Indeed, apostate thunder. I find that belief or disbelief in conspiracies (theory or facts) is determined by an individual's philosophical views on life. Those predisposed to obedience to authority figures and the established order (or disorder) tend not to believe in the existence of conspiracies, thus the ridicule and cheap skepticism. If you want to make a believer out of someone of said conspiracy, you must first address this fundamental issue, because the facts are irrelevant.
Diamond, your reptilian strawman argument is obviously illogical and highly inappropriate considering hundreds of years of outspoken opposition to Freemasonry and the Order of the Illuminati. Did you know there used to be a prominent anti-Masonic political party in the United States of America? Did you know this political party was also anti-Illuminati? Anti-Illuminati sentiment has been recorded in history since the Illuminati order came into existence in 1776. Do your research before spouting off.
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diamondiiz
Prognoser: You obviously didn't get the point of the first post, so here it is. Illuminati today are as real as reptilian idea, it's pure nonsense -not because one is connected with the other but purely because they are nonsense. If you want to make Russell into something he's wasn't, might as well make it more colorful. It's too bad that some use misinformation about wts to discredit them when there is a mountain of factual evidence to disprove them and crazy made up shit just isn't necessary.
Most here have read and heard enough about Russell/Mason connection and every time it comes up, there are the same old arguments used that don't prove shit.
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mP
prog:
Is there sexual liberation today? Yes. I could go on and on.
mP->prog:
Actually older cultures were a lot more liberal than today. Egyptians and Romans were having gay and lesbian marriages over 2000 years and i havent even discussed other less well known cultures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves , prostitutes , and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia , excluded from the normal protections accorded a citizen even if they were technically free. Although Roman men in general seem to have preferred youths between the ages of 12 and 20 as sexual partners, freeborn male minors were strictly off-limits, and professional prostitutes and entertainers might be considerably older.
The morals that Paul made comments against homosexuals and lesbians is utterly lies, porneia means illegal as in prostitutes. There were no laws against homosexuality in ancient Rome, thus it could not be illegal. BTW Lesbianism does not appear in the Bible. All scriptures always speak of men and men, never women and women apparently they dont count.
Getting married in some parts of ancient greece was considered the "wrong" thing, many men were gay until they got older and needed to start a family. The ancient pharoahs all married their sisters. We see Abraham married his half sister aswell.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/ge/chapter_020.htm
11 To this Abraham said: “It was because I said to myself, ‘Doubtless there is no fear of God in this place, and they will certainly kill me because of my wife.’ 12 And, besides, she is truly my sister, the daughter of my father, only not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. 13 And it came about that, when God caused me to wander from the house of my father, then I said to her, ‘This is your loving-kindness which you may exercise toward me: At every place where we shall come say of me: “He is my brother.”’”
Please dont waste any time attacking me im just pointing out what actually happened in the past. Before you comment yo u might want to check some history books before making narrow minded uninformed stupid comments.
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tornapart
Even if, understandably, people are skeptical about these things there have been, and are, many people in positions of power who were convinced of powerful controlling sources behind the scenes.
President JFK, 1963... "There exists in this country a plot to enslave every man, woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot." (7 days before his assasination).
NY Mayor John Francis Hylan, 1922.. "The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over our cities, states and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self-created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and EVERY agency created for the public protection."
General Douglas McArthur, 1952 "Talk of imminent threat to our national security through the application of external force is pure nonsense. Our threat is from the insidious forces working from within which have already so drastically altered the character of our free institutions — those institutions we proudly called the American way of life."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frakfurter, 1952.. ""The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes."
President Woodrow Wilson, 1913... "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1844.. " "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." 1876.. "The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans."
Prime Minister Winston Churchill, 1920...""From the days of Sparticus, Weishophf, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
President Franklin D Roosevelt,1933.."The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way."
Quotes David Rockerfeller.. "Some even believe we are a part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it." "All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." "People yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands."
German Chancellor Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf..."In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people...will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one."
Anyone wanting to put their head in the sand and not believe that there is a conspiracy for 'New World Order', only has to google it and see what comes up. Things said by people in the know and not just people who want to stir up controversy. HG Wells wrote a book about it. It's not far from the truth.
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apostatethunder
Countries with a very high standard of living like Scandinavia, Switzerland, Australia…are developed because they have a very good education system, among other things.
Respect for the individual is non negotiable in an advanced society.
JFK words are very telling. The fact that is still an unsolved case also.
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bohm
tornapart:
This quote:
President JFK, 1963... "There exists in this country a plot to enslave every man, woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot." (7 days before his assasination).
is a lie. It was even made up quite recently.
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mP
I heard Justin Timberlake will be president in 4-5 years time, appointed by the Rothchilds. He will of course marry the Queen of England, as Philip hasnt got long to go. THis will of course unite the USA and UK in a personal Union which is exactly what the WTS has been talking about for years. I dont want to let too much out of the bag, but its going to be an exciting next few years.
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tornapart
Not sure you could argue against his real thoughts, even if this quote has not been found in other sources.
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bohm
tornapart: I just showed that the very first quote you used to build your case was a clear fabrication and a little investigation will show it was made around 2000-2004, and you go of to say: well, you cant argue against his *real* thoughts. Well i just did, and the very first one turned out to be a lie. How do you determine any of what you have been told are correct when its obvious you havent checked anything of it by yourself and the very first claim you make is demonstrably false?
This is exactly why i dont buy any of this conspiracy claptrap: every time you check something it turns out to be a lie, and every time, you are told you should believe everything anyway and its kind of your bad for thinking critical.