Jam, the RC doesn't do their services in Latin since Vatican II which came in 1968. The song I referenced is sung in both Latin and English, so you can know what the Latin lyrics are by listening to the corresponding verses in English.
I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!
by minimus 306 Replies latest jw friends
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Isidore
"Jam, the RC doesn't do their services in Latin since Vatican II which came in 1968. The song I referenced is sung in both Latin and English, so you can know what the Latin lyrics are by listening to the corresponding verses in English."
This actually is not true. I am a Roman Catholic, and I attend the Latin Mass, known as the Tridentine Form, exclusively. The Mass in the vernacular is the normative and it is not the exclusive. And Vatican II concluded in 1965. The Mass in the vernacular, known as the "Novus Ordo" was not promulgated until 1970.
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Isidore
Apostatetheunder, when I get some time, I'll be more than happy to answer your question.
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Isidore
Actually, the Orthodox Church considers the Roman Church to be the first protestant church. The RC has deviated a lot, including celibate clergy.
Celibacy of the priest is a discipline that goes back all the way to first century. It is something that if the Church wishes, She can change. After being JW's, I think we can all see the wisdom in seeing a priest not having the distractions of family and have themselves available at all times for their parishes.
You'll have to be more specific about the Orthodox churches, since there about 13 of them, with no central leadership. They are broken down along nationalistic lines. They, like the Anglicans, broke with Holy See in Rome.
John 17:21-22
[21]That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [22] And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, as we also are one.
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still thinking
Still, I am sure the JW's have a lot of influence on your views, but your feelings growing up count, too/...FHN
How interesting...since I was raised catholic...I don't think JW's influenced me about what I think about catholicism...since I thought this before I ever met any JW's.
You cannot right off peoples views of catholicism as influenced by JW thinking. Otherwise, I could say you only continue to like religion because of JW thinking. How valid would that be to you personally FHN?
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FlyingHighNow
Still, I don't write off your feelings or anyone else's. If people have never been JW's, then the JW's don't influence them. Those of us who've been JW's? We all have feelings about about religion, churches, politics, etc. Then comes in the JW's, who make a huge deal about the evils in religion and churches and politics, which is one sided and way off balance. It doesn't mean that all opinions and feelings we have, come directly from the JW's, but the JW brainwash does taint us, in remnants. I'll admit it, their influence still affects me at times. The hatred towards the world and religion isn't something easily dismissed. We can drop most of it, but the influence is still there, in subtle ways. Terry made a good thread about the JW influence on all of us, in the past month or so.
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FlyingHighNow
The JW's make fun of the Catholic Church. They laugh at "worldly people" and politicians, etc. That's more of what I am talking about. They write off and dismiss the things that mean very much to millions of people. That rubs off on all of us. I can't say that I wonder at times about certain RC rituals.
I absolutely love the Black Jesus in Madonna's Like A Prayer video.
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talesin
After being JW's, I think we can all see the wisdom in seeing a priest not having the distractions of family and have themselves available at all times for their parishes.
(emphasis on 'all' is mine)
Um, speak for yourself, please.
The Orthodox Churches here have married priests (both the Greek Orthodox and the Coptic (?) or Lebanese Orthodox churches), as do the Anglicans and Lutherans. They do JUST FINE taking care of their parishes, because they are PAID FULL TIME CLERGY, who are also given free housing as part of their salary. That is to say, professionals at what they do, who usually have a Master's degree in theology.
What I see, is a marvelous opportunity for pedophiles. Many priests are, of course, dedicated to helping people and serving their parish, but many are filthy perverts. We just had a local bishop jailed for possession and distribution of child porn, and the diocese is trying to sell off its many holdings in order to pay restitution to the victims of pedophilia of another convicted priest from the same diocese.
My ex, and two of my closest friends, refer to themselves as 'recovering Catholics' - and none of them had any association with Jehovah's Witnesses before they knew me. They see the Church as little more than a money-grubbing power structure. Many people have turned on religions, and it has NOTHING to do with being a Jehovah's Witness.
Let's not forget that Rome colluded with the Nazis. So as far as the Church of Rome is concerned, money and power are pre-eminent. No birth control? Of course - that means more members. I have a friend, 39 years old, who got back-handed for telling his mother that the priest molested him. That was in the 1980s! The Catholic Church is just another controlling, power- and money-hungry religion.
I am going to a funeral on Saturday with two good friends. They are both practicing Catholics. We had dinner together before Christmas, and I asked how they now felt about the church. Their answer was similar to many JWs --- it's all I know ... where else would I go?
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Jeffro
Sorry for you minimus, because there are millions of Catholics in the world, and I don’t think they have done anything to you, did they?
Huh? minimus didn't say he wants anything bad to happen to any particular Catholics or Catholics in general.
Whether they have done anything bad to him has nothing at all to do with assessment of their beliefs as irrational.
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apostatethunder
That is an opinion. For me what is irrational is looking at the Universe and don’t believe there is a Creator. But I don’t insult people that believe there isn’t any.
The Church can not be compared to the WT, sorry.