Unconditional Love-How would you describe it? (page 12)

caliber

unconditional love ... is an expression found in the dictionary but cannot exist in the real world tee hee hee

question.. What is the difference between true love and unconditional love ?

00DAD

KS: The word 'condition' has a very explicit commonly-accepted meaning in legal circles, being a term of art used in contract law.

Your reference explains much. Business relationships are not the same as friendships, family or romantic relationships. People that try to run them that way are not successful in creating loving, nuturing environments. I could introduce you to my father. He tried to run his family as a business. Guess who determined all the rules in the "family business"? Guess what happened whenever anyone broke or even disagreed with these rules? I suspect it would all seem very familiar to you, but maybe not.

To clarify, I was NOT attempting to redefine anything, but merely to elucidate what I mean when I use the term. The fact that you said I tried to make "unconditional" mean "conditional" shows me you did not understand what I was trying to say. Did I mis-type? What phrase are you referring to? Or did you mis-understand?

If you think you understood me but that I am wrong then why didn't you respond to my request when I asked you offer a better term. You didn't, unless you consider copying & pasting the WP definition of Unconditional Love to have been your answer.

As far as I am concerned, the definitions of "Unconditional" you quoted are completely in harmony with what I mean when I use the term UL. As I have repeatedly said, when I use it and when I hear most people use it, the adjective "unconditional" refers to no restrictions placed on the relationship by the lover; it does not mean conditions of life which may change and are not controllable by anyone or at least not by the one that loves.

KS, you seem to like to argue. I would suggest an alternative means to dialogue.

Seek first to understand, then to be understood - Stephen Covey

I have two questions for you:

Imagine a relationship where one person loves the other. This love is not restricted by or contingent upon any conditions dictated by the one loving the other. What would you call that kind of love?
Can you imagine a loving relationship where you disagree with decisions the other person makes, maybe even disagree with beliefs they have or even disapprove of actions they have made and yet you still love them? What would you call that kind of love?

00DAD

caliber

Imagine a relationship where one person loves the other. This love is not restricted by or contingent upon any conditions dictated by the one loving the other. What would you call that kind of love?
Can you imagine a loving relationship where you disagree with decisions the other person makes, maybe even disagree with beliefs they have or even disapprove of actions they have made? What would you call that kind of love?

I think you talking real love verses imitation love

Isn't unhappiness in our lives is due to that lack of Real Love and to the frustration we experience as we desperately and hopelessly try to create happiness from a flawed foundation of Imitation Love ?

Real love and unconditional love are pretty much the same thing in my eyes

00DAD

caliber: I think you talking real love verses imitation love ... Real love and unconditional love are pretty much the same thing in my eyes

Well I didn't offer a contrast, but I acknowledge that it was implied in my questions. Essentially I agree with you, at least insofar as we are describing human relations.

I love a good single-malt whisky. But that's a different thing all together!

00DAD

King Solomon

Your reference explains much. Business relationships are not the same as friendships, family or romantic relationships.

The definition is the same, REGARDLESS of what situation you're talking about; i.e. the term means the same thing to those who study human relationships and social interactions (psychiatrists, psychologists, etc) as it does to those in law or business, i.e. not specialization-dependent.

I was NOT attempting to redefine anything, but merely to elucidate what I mean when I use the term.

I was simply trying to help you elucidate what you meant, when you actually were perpetrating the confusion of others by persisting on using the term improperly (and when some were criticizing and belittling Ziddina's CORRECT position, which is the commonly-accepted definition).

BTW, if you're offended when others dare attempt to offer facts that conflict with yours, then I'll simply ignore what you write from now on. Just send me a PM.

I asked you offer a better term. You didn't, unless you consider copying & pasting the WP definition of Unconditional Love to have satisfied my request.

Here's a novel idea: instead of using "unconditional love" to mean "conditional love", and vice-versa, you might considering using "conditional love" to mean 'love with strings attached' (even if only one), and "unconditional love" to mean 'love without ANY CONDITIONS attached'. Done and done!!

I already explained that you are describing "conditional love", except that your boundaries (or conditions) are far less stringent than those used by JWs. I've explained that on the last page (did you even read it?). BOTH are conditional forms of love, just that you place less conditions than your spouse when it comes to love for your children (all of whom are still JWs, IIRC).

Or, will you insist upon everyone using YOUR definitions, as if expecting the rest of the World to accommodate YOUR "MY way or the highway" attitude?

00DAD

KS: you might considering using "conditional love" to mean 'love with strings attached' (even if only one), and "unconditional love" to mean 'love without ANY CONDITIONS attached'.

Um, that's what I've been trying to say. How did you miss that?

At any rate, I'm glad you finally got it!

BTW, I wasn't offended by anything you've posted on this thread. Not sure how you got that idea, but sorry that you thought so. Glad to clear that up too!

00DAD

King Solomon

And since you posted while I was editing, I added this (in bold):

I already explained that you are describing "conditional love", except that your boundaries (or conditions) are far less stringent than those used by JWs. I've explained that on the last page (did you even read it?). BOTH are conditional forms of love, just that you place less conditions than your spouse when it comes to love for your children (all of whom are still JWs, IIRC).

00DAD

KS, you recall correctly about my children. But their mother is my ex-spouse. I am now married to my Hungarian Love Goddess. She was never a JW.

But I still disagree with you that my love is conditional. It's OK.

BTW, remember I started the boundaries thread and rvw started this thread as a spin-off.

As far as I am concerned having appropriate boundaries in no way contradicts the concept of conditional/unconditional love.

I can love you and still not want you trespassing in my house when I'm not there.

00DAD

caliber

As far as I am concerned having appropriate boundaries in no way contradicts the concept of conditional/unconditional love.

this link below would agree with you

We imagine two lovers almost merging into the ethers, so interconnected and intertwined that separation is unnecessary. The need for boundaries is summed up so beautifully by the famous Lebanese poet in the early 20th century, Kahlil Gibran,

But let there be spaces in your togetherness and let the winds of the
heavens dance between you. Love one another but make not a bond of
love: let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls

http://createhealingandlovenow.com/blog/boundaries-of-love/

a sea not a wall

Love not a women for how her beauty makes you feel.... but for her feelings... that which makes her happy and content

~~ Cal

freeflyingfaerie

But let there be spaces in your togetherness and let the winds of the
heavens dance between you. Love one another but make not a bond of
love: let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls

That is beautiful

Unconditional Love-How would you describe it?

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