Questions for witnesses

by sleepy 15 Replies latest jw friends

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  You Know

  Why you the need to give comment on what you have read , when you feel its not necessary?

  I am not the Watchtower. I am an individual Witness who has allowed himself to be exposed to the apostates' issues and am willing to let myself be questioned by them for the benefit of those who may have doubts. The way I see it, the Watchtower has simply told Jehovah's Witnesses not to read apostate stuff because it could damage you spiritually. That's their official position. If you choose to do that anyway, that's a personal decision, but, from the Watchtower's point of view you are more or less on your own. They told you not to and you didn't listen to them. So, that's the way it is. Fortunately, most Witnesses obey that direction so that it's only a relative handful that get entangled in doubt or become apostate. But the question is, then: why should the Watchtower be concerned with defending itself in the eyes of those few who in all probably wouldn't accept their defense anyway? / You Know
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  dungbeetle

  >YK: That’s not true. None of the fundamental teachings have changed. They have only been refined, which is to be expected.<

  That's a blatant and flagrant lie.

  >That expression is found in the KJV in the 21st chapter of Luke. <
  A half-truth; the King James version was rejected by both Russell and Rutherford, and every Watchtower leader down to this day. They even will not use or quote, in their literature, the KJV that they put out THEMSELVES!!!!

  >I am not the Watchtower. I am an individual Witness who has allowed himself to be exposed to the apostates' issues and am willing to let myself be questioned <

  A statement made by you with no supporting evidence. If you really are a Witness you would be disfellowshipped for publicly lying. But you really aren't a Witness, and so you are able to continue on this board unmolested because the Watchtower can only 'go after' it's own.

  I suspect you may have studied with the Witnesses some time ago, or maybe a relative was a Witness. On those few occasions when you have answered poster's questions, you information was outdated, old. It would have been correct years ago-decades ago in one case. As a matter of fact, you sound more and more like a RUSSELLITE than a JW/former JW, if you are anything.

  >YK: History is not an exact science. It is open to interpretation and even manipulation. The Watchtower has just as much right as the next guy to offer their opinion. <

  That is NOT the Watchtower interpretation. Their date was at one time arrived at by the Great Pyramid of Giza measurements (twice) and thereafter, AFTER 1914, by backdating their prophecies. The Studies in the Scriptures are online, and the Harp of God 1921 is now available online. Also, the Watchtower does not, to this day advocate that this date is their opinion. They say it is 'revealed prophecy' End of that discussion.

  >YK: Because certain prophecies have been sealed by the order of Jehovah<
  Yes they have been sealed, but a careful examination of the Scritpures, in almost ANY translation, will show that they were not to be opened again untill AFTER Armegeddon.

  Have a great day.

  In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"
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  jerome

  You Know,

  I'm new to the board but I have been following you for a while and I have began to notice your pattern.

  People once thought that I was you trying to play a joke on them, with that spritual warfare nonsense.

  I just wanna know one thing before I ask you anything else.

  If you knew all of theses things about the watchtower before you were baptized would you still have gone through with it?

  When I say all these things I mean really thought through things and came to a sensible conclusion. Because I notice that many witness dismiss things without even thinking about them. Are you like that?

  Controll of information (We donot entertain apostate literature)

  [big]This has very little to do with your spritual welfare[/big] it has to do with keeping people in the dark so that they do not find out about the organisations secrets. If not for this website what would have been the chances of your finding out about the UN scandal from your congregation elders? Would you have known that the WT predicted the end of the world 6 times?

  The cost of innocent lives? How many people doyou think died refusing a blood trans fusion or an organ transplant?

  I would go on but if I did you wouldent have anwsered me for sure so i'll leave it there.

  What say you.

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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  You Know

  Jerome asks:

  If you knew all of theses things about the watchtower before you were baptized would you still have gone through with it?

  You realize that those 'what-if?' questions are impossible to answer and that they are irrelevant anyway. I do know, though, that faith and trust are very fragile and delicate and they can be broken. The Bible acknowledges that some first century anointed Christians had thrust aside faith and good conscience and experienced ship wreck. New ones are particularly vulnerable to half-truths and lies and misinformation, and they are disadvantaged because they don't have the depth of knowledge to counter the deep things of Satan. So I can't say how I would have been effected if I would have been exposed to apostasy when I was only studying.

  When I say all these things I mean really thought through things and came to a sensible conclusion. Because I notice that many witness dismiss things without even thinking about them. Are you like that?

  Why should Witnesses think about all the negativity? It really doesn't do anyone any good. I can't see that apostates live happy and fulfilled lives. In fact, most on this board seem to me to be some of the most miserable and depraved people on the planet, whose only joy is in stumbling someone else out of the truth. In Jesus' letters to one of the 7 congregation in Revelation, he commended those who had "not come to know the deep things of Satan." Satan is described in scripture as the "Accuser of our brothers, who accuses them night and day." The Devil knows every mistep, every bone-headed thing, every false path, that we have ventured down. He knows every sin Jehovah's people have ever committed. His accusations are not necessarily false. So it is that the evil slave that acts as Satan's mouth-piece upon earth is not necessarily lying when he accuses Jehovah's Witnesses of this and that. But, as in the case of the Devil's accusations, the apostates want people to arrive at a particular conclusion. And the conclusion that Satan and his minions want to impose upon us is that Jehovah's Witnesses are not God's people and that our message is entirely false. In reality, those who fall for the apostate's reasoning are the ones who have not thought things through very well. And while the Watchtower doesn't arm Jehovah's Witnesses to deal with all of the particulars of the issues apostates bring against us, the Bible does. The Devil's advantage is that he knows most people are not really that knowledgable about Jehovah's word, and the truth of the matter is that the deep things of Jehovah's word is the only thing that can neutralize the deep things of Satan.

  [big]This has very little to do with your spritual welfare[/big] it has to do with keeping people in the dark so that they do not find out about the organisations secrets.

  Yes, the Devil wants to fill our minds with suspicion about all the deep dark things that are going on. That's his game.

  If not for this website what would have been the chances of your finding out about the UN scandal from your congregation elders?

  I don't think most elders even know about it still. The Watchtower's NGO status is an interesting development which I think really does rank as a scandal. It has caused me to consider the possibility that apostate false brothers from within the organization have steered the Watchtower into that compromising position. It is similar to when the kings of Israel led the entire nation astray by their idolatry and allliances with pagan nations. From my standpoint it's a great time to be in the truth and watching as these things unfold. It is going to be very interesting to see how Jehovah deals with that situation and how all of Jehovah's Witnesses respond when things blow up.

  Would you have known that the WT predicted the end of the world 6 times?

  That's nothing. I have predicted the end of the world at least 7 or 8 times.

  The cost of innocent lives? How many people doyou think died refusing a blood trans fusion or an organ transplant?

  The scripture says that "precious in the eyes of Jehovah are the deaths of his loyal ones." So, while Satan may want us to believe that anyone who has died because of conscience toward God have needlessly wasted their life, Jehovah has a completly different view of things. The Devil is the one who originally made the accusation that men will turn their backs on God when the chips are down just to save their own necks. The uncompromising course of many of Jehovah's Witnesses adds to the testimony against the Devil and is what being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is all about. Of course, the demons and their apostate dupes are going to belittle our sacrifice and try to fabricate the fiction that the Watchtower Society murders innocent victims of their cult. But, that's why they call him Satan the Devil.That's what he does. / You Know
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  dungbeetle

  jesus' commandments were to 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Not only are you a lousy excuse for a JW (which I don't believe you are one), but a lousy excuse as a follower of Christ and God, just judging by your posting here. (Maybe you are different in real life).

  THE WATCHTOWER is the apostate, and YOU are the apostate, because the Watchtower and you speak LIES!!! All of your posts are full of lies, just like the Watchtower is full of lies.

  I am reading the 'Truth Shall Make You Free' book, and I'm barely a fourth of the way through this book, and I gave up counting the blatant lies in here; AND THAT IS IN 1941! "Jesus Christ has been enthroned since 1914"---yeah, THIS WEEK!!! Before that, he was enthroned in 1913, and before that 1911, and before that 1798, and before that 1789, and on and on and on.

  Support of JW's is one thing, and that may be admirable; support of The Watchtower is a whole different can of worms. This organization advocates the death of children (refusal of blood transfusion) just on its own word. J.R.Brown bragged about it in public. Jehovah's Witnesses, left on their own, would likely allow the blood--many parents have.

  have a great day again.

  In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"
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  Francois

  YK:

  You said "The Watchtower has just as much right as the next guy to offer their opinion."

  Having an opinion is one thing, but enforcing that opinion as divinely inspired truth and requiring people to believe it or be disfellowshipped is something else altogether.

  Your answer to this question is a disenguous as all the rest of your bullshit as contained in the balance of your "answers."

  There is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see.

  Francois

  NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?