Nemesis

by Yadirf 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nemesis
    Nemesis

    Yadirf:

    You know very well if ‘You Know’ was in the open he would have been disfellowshipped long ago, so please don’t use the holier than thou crap as he is not a loyal Watch Tower adherent at all, and he is highly offensive with it, with his constant ad hominem insults, just like you are winding yourself up in to because you can’t force the reply you want with insults, rhetoric and emotive provocations.

    All I can say is your JW Watch Tower traits are there for all to see—you last post was wonderful, saturated with rhetoric, emotive manipulation, circular reasoning, false labels, derogatory generalisations, and false analogies—all pure Watch Tower classics, well done mate! But I’m not going to bite. Once you learn to debate and not just attempt a pitiful shallow flame provocation, I may consider you worthy of a reply, but for now—dream on.

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Kudos to you Nemesis.

    High time others on this site expose YouKnow and Yadirf for what they really are.

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  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Hey Yadirf!

    This caught my eye. (All the other stuff did not.)

    : Also, I agree with you that those who died in the Flood will be resurrected as will those that die at Armageddon.

    So lemmegetthisstraight: God kills people at Armageddon and then resurrects them. This is rather inneficient to my way of thinking. Killing folks and then re-creating them (or what ever-the-heck-God-does when She/He puts them all together again) is a big waste of God-Energy, I think. God kills people at Armageddon. God has a reason for killing people at Armageddon. The killed person is dead after God did the killing and being dead and all that, doesn't have a clue why s/he is dead. God the resurrects the human that God killed (this must take a whole bunch of God-Energy or something) at Armageddon, and the dead person stands up and says to God, "Why did you klll me and then resurrect me?" God says (in his infinite Wisdom), "Because Yadirf said I would do that, that's why."

    Things like this are very easy to understand when you use a little logic, folks.

    Farkel

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Farkel

    and the dead person stands up and says to God, "Why did you klll me and then resurrect me?" God says (in his infinite Wisdom), "Because Yadirf said I would do that, that's why."
    You could just as well have directed your remarks at Nemesis. Yes, Nemesis thinks the same as I do regarding the point you focused in on. Note these two comments of his here:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23344&site=3

    You Know, virtually no one today is in that category, so even if 6 billion do die at Armageddon as punishment, the vast majority will come back for a proper chance after Armageddon

    ==========

    There is nothing in the Bible to say those who die in the tribulation, or in the past flood, or from some other past act of God, that they will not come back....

    Here's some more of Nemesis' gems from that thread, which is the whole point of my posting this particular thread:

    You also forget that those described in Judgment day, are those alive after Armageddon [including the resurrected], not before—have you forgotten that the Watch Tower has realised it’s false teaching and changed it to the correct post Armageddon period?

    Even the Watch Tower society now realises this, that’s why they changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon.

    It comes to my mind that [You Know] is most definitely not a JW, or not one attending the meetings, as [b]he isn’t even up to date with their latest changes [with reference to Matthew 25:31-46].

    Note that in the red Nemesis actually has the gall to ask You Know if HE has "forgotten" the WTS's change in viewpoint on this matter -- when in fact there hasn't even been a change in viewpoint -- except of course on the word of a certain "female witness friend" who claims such a thing has happened. I guess that Nemesis was thinking that this girl was supposed to call You Know on the phone and inform him of this ‘new change’ and failed to do so. How else was You Know supposed to know of such a thing?

    Now take a look at the part in blue. Note the degree of CERTAINTY with which Nemesis speaks -- about how the WTS has made this change -- that it in fact did NOT make -- except, of course, on the word of the "female witness friend" whom had supposedly “heard” of the change.

    And then notice the green part, in which You Know was apparently supposed to have gotten a phone call from Nemesis' "female witness friend", but didn't. Yesireeeeeee, according to Nemesis, You Know is definitely not up to date with the WTS's latest changes regarding Matthew 25:31-46 -- all because Nemesis "female witness friend" failed to inform You Know.

    Yes, somehow EVERYBODY is supposed to have known that Nemesis' "female witness friend" had heard it said at Pioneer school that the WTS has made this change -- which in fact has NOT been made. But it's of course all You Know's fault that he didn't know about the change that hadn't been made.

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Nemesis
    Nemesis

    Yardirf:

    Good one, I was laughing my arse off at that, your bitterness and sense of desperation for revenge is astounding, especially when you make the false claim to be a loyal JW, and take so much offence when anyone dares to criticize the Watch Tower.

    I was just reading some of your other posts where you are publicly teaching apostasy! How you can come here and have a beef about minor parts of a discussing I had with someone else [i.e. not you] and you then go forth and are teaching stuff like the resurrected in heaven will come back to earth, and there are four heavens, and all the other non-Biblical and non-Watch Tower doctrines is hilarious! You are an apostate by your own admission! You are either not associated with JWs, or you are living a lie by coming here and at the same time teaching apostate doctrines that go right against your own God’s organisation!

    Like I said about You Know, it applies even more to you. I really don’t know why you are so upset when I criticized You Know [he’s not your lover is he?] (That was a joke by the way.) Either way, your sense of solidarity is sadly without backing, why you may ask? Because you are not a faithful Jehovah’s Witness Yadirf. You come here pretending to be one, but you then go and teach material that is directly against the Governing Body of the Watch Tower Society, the very men who are your God guided leaders! If you went to the Kingdom Hall with half the stuff you say here, you would promptly be disfellowshipped for apostasy—and you know it!

    You said:

    “I'm sorry that this has turned out the way that it has, as I really didn’t intend for it to. I approached you in a civil manner, only to have you take advantage of it and retaliate with the use of unkind remarks regarding MY religious preference, the WTS”

    Like hell you didn’t, I said nothing of your choice of religion; remember you asked me what I felt: “...whether or not you feel that you could ever again rejoin the WTS.” I told you no way, and then you spat your dummy [pacifier] out because it obviously wasn’t the answer you wanted. I am obliged after your provocation and insults to point out to you that you are an apostate and a hypocrite. You just can’t see it—you claim the WTBTS to be God’s organisation, you also come out with all this emotive bravado claiming to be a loyal faithful JW, and then you come to this forum and teach apostate ideas that are directly against the very religion to claim to be so loyal to!

    Wake up Yardirf, I do not want an endless thread of arguing, but you have to open your eyes and realise that you are no more a faithful Jehovah’s Witness anymore than 99% of the board’s other posters are. Ever heard the quote: “Be so true to thyself, as thou be not false to others”? You are not a JW Yardirf, and you know if you were truthful you would be disfellowshipped and branded a dangerous apostate setting himself up above the faithful and discreet slave, so please don’t come here jumping in on points of other’s threads and claming to be a bastion of righteous Watch Tower standards and loyalties, because only the most naïve and blind of readers would miss the fact that you are not loyal, or faithful, to the very organisation you claim God is using.

    I wish you no hard feelings, but please be honest with yourself, you know the Watch Tower is not being used by God, that’s why you have so many alternative ideas, coming here emotively defending the Watch Tower—or posters like You Know—will not hide that fact at all.

    I wish you well, and have no more to say on this post.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Yadirf,

    I agree with you that the only logical understanding is that everyone will be resurrected and judged according to the same set of criteria.

    Otherwise the whole plan of salvation doesn't make any since.

    The Bible clearly says the Jesus died once for ALL MANKIND. Not, all mankind except those destroyed in the flood, or at Sodom and Gomorrah or even at Armageddon.

    God's plan is simple. Man complicates it sometimes unknowingly and sometimes on purpose.

    Joel

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Nemesissy

    I ... have no more to say on this post.
    "No more to say"? Actually before you can have no more to say, you've got to have said something in the first place. And you've certainly said NOTHING whatsoever so far ... just spouted off a string of meaningless, unkind, devilish words.

    How you can come here and have a beef about minor parts of a discussing I had with someone else [i.e. not you] and you then go forth and are teaching stuff like the resurrected in heaven will come back to earth, and there are four heavens, and all the other non-Biblical and non-Watch Tower doctrines is hilarious!
    The fact that a few of mine as well as a comparatively few other faithful one's concepts are diverse to that which the WTS understands presently is in COMPLETE agreement with that which the Bible itself spoke of, at Daniel 11:35. That text shows that just prior to the time of the end's beginning there would in fact be "some" individuals associated with the true religion (the WTS) who would have insight enough to know where certain errors lay, that would "stumble" because of it, and as a result of having done so a glorious "refinement" (correction of viewpoint) would be the result.

    That there are four heavens (as seen from the perspective of our earth) is a Biblically proven fact.

    As to my expressed opinions being "non-Biblical" that's simply not true, and you have yet to prove your claim that they're not. As to mine and a few other's opinions being "non-Watch Tower", I've just explained the justification for this phenomena which was foretold to take place during the latter days of the reign of the 7th king.

    You should be scared, Nemesissy, you just haven't the sense to be. I'm sure you'll get to be though, just hang tight you'll see.

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Nemesis
    Nemesis

    Yardirf:

    The fact that a few of mine as well as a comparatively few other faithful one's concepts are diverse to that which the WTS understands presently is in COMPLETE agreement with that which the Bible itself spoke of, at Daniel 11:35.

    You are missing the point—the Watch Tower Society only cares that you follow them loyally. If you feel so sure of a prophetic part in history, then it’s your obligation to publicise this to the 6,000,000 Jehovah’s witnesses, and their governing body. If God is with you, they cannot disfellowship you for apostasy can they? And also, why would God tell you things that he is not telling his “anointed” faithful and discreet slave? You know you would be instantly disfellowshipped for apostasy, and by the very organisation you feel God is with—that’s rather a contradiction isn’t it. God tells you information that he wants to share with all his people, and then God gets his organisation to disfellowship you and destroy the very information that just came from himself!

    Have you actually written to them about your feelings/thoughts, and what did they say? I, as you know, agree that their view of judgement and the resurrection is not the same as Jesus’ or the Bibles—but that is not the point. If you are a loyal JW then you will view all that comes form the GB as from God. If not, why the heck are you associating with teachers of falsehood who will just persecute you for pointing it out to them?

    You should be scared, Nemesissy, you just haven't the sense to be. I'm sure you'll get to be though, just hang tight you'll see.
    Scared of what—you? The Watch Tower organisation? Or God? The only one I’m remotely concerned about is God’s opinion—all other’s opinions are irrelevant, and I would hope you feel the same.
  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    Yadirf to

    Nemesis

    Thanks for explaining the basis for your having said to You Know that the WTS had "changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon."

    So what it really boils down to is that *you heard* another person say what *she heard* ... which was ... that the WTS "were now saying the separation was post-Armageddon during the millennial reign and resurrection, not pre-Armageddon."
    ******************************************************************

    Not that it would make a difference but I was visiting a member of my family last summer and this subject came up and I was surprised to hear the same thing. I did attend a few meetings last summer and the conversation was with a very informed JW with regard to th WT. It took me back a step when I first heard the difference.
    Just wanted to add my 2 cents.
    plm

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