Why Didn't They Know? (page 3)

LDH

Joseph--

I'm not saying your argument is false. BUT in order to hold water, the writers you mentioned would have had to validate the other writers/historians on the list.

Otherwise, *none* of those people ever existed. Do they refer to each other?!?!

BTW, the other reason people were frequently unaware of concurrent happenings is simply because there was no worldwide communication. A relatively recent example is the history of the telephone.

Two people invented the telephone at basically the same time, with no knowledge of the other person. One got the patent and the financial backing. The other was just a mad scientist, apparently.

Therefore, Bell Telephones (Alexander Graham Bell) and Southwest Bells and the baby Bells get all the money/press/glory, while the family of Philipp Reiss is wondering What the hell happened?!?!?!

* http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1098.htm

As for the Essenes, I learned more about them from using Dr. Bronner's soaps than my whole lifetime as a JW.

* http://www.drbronner.com

Lisa
Clean as a Whistle Class

Satanus

Kenn

Vs. 24 indicates that those who created the controversy had not been sent by the Jerusalem church

Beg to differ.
***Rbi8 Galatians 2:11-12***
11 However, when Ce'phas came to Antioch, I resisted him face to face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before the arrival of certain men from James, he used to eat with people of the nations; but when they arrived, he went withdrawing and separating himself, in fear of those of the circumcised class.

Since jerusalem was from where the problem came, that was where paul and his disciples went to settle it.

According to Acts, the Jerusalem church existed before that of Antioch. So, then, Paul could not have invented Christianity at Antioch. Christianity predates Paul at Antioch.

I agree w the first statement. The last statement is wrong.

*** Rbi8 Acts 22:3-4 ***
4 And I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and handing over to prisons both men and women,
*** Rbi8 Acts 19:23 ***
23 At that particular time there arose no little disturbance concerning The Way.
*** Rbi8 Acts 19:8-9 ***
8 Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, giving talks and using persuasion concerning the kingdom of God. 9 But when some went on hardening themselves and not believing, speaking injuriously about The Way before the multitude
*** Rbi8 Acts 18:25-26 ***
26 And this [man] started to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Pris·cil'la and Aq'ui·la heard him, they took him into their company and expounded the way of God more correctly to him.

At jerusalem it had been known only as the 'way'.

*** Rbi8 Acts 11:24-26 ***
25 So he went off to Tarsus to make a thorough search for Saul 26 and, after he found him, he brought him to Antioch. It thus came about that for a whole year they gathered together with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.
*** Rbi8 Acts 26:28 ***
28 But A·grip'pa said to Paul: "In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian

At antioch was the term christian first used. Paul became the leading one persuading outsiders to join. Paul, the christian evangelist. Paul, the founder of christianity.

SS

Kenneson

There is no threat to Christianity in the Essenes. See http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/DEADSEA.htm

And there is Evidence for Christianity in early non-Christian Writings. See http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7751/historic.com

Elsewhere

Breathe Heathen, breathe! I think you may have a Meme Allergy.

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Regarding the idea of Jesus, messiah, etc... During that time period it was fashionable to have a god/messiah that performed miracles (raise dead, etc). It just so happens that the Jesus messiah won out and all the others were forgotten, now only mentioned in religious history books.

"As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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Kenneson

Saint Satan:
I'm not sure Gal. 2:11-14 is referring to the same thing as Acts, unless Luke got it wrong.
In Acts 15:8-12 Peter agrees with Paul. James does likewise (vs. 13-21). Why this reversal in Galatians? And when exactly did Paul and Barnabas go to Jerusalem to consult the council, which included James and Peter?

Elsewhere

Here is a list of known messiahs, my point being that there are plenty of them throughout history.

http://walkingdead.net/~phxclench/saver2.htm

List of Saviors
Dr. Hieronymous Zinn
(revised by nu-monet 12/31/98)
(NOTE: MAJORLY UPDATED, AND NOW ALPHABETIZED FOR
YOUR PROTECTION)

1. ENTRANTS MUST CLAIM, OR HAVE CLAIMED FOR THEM,
TO BE (A) GOD, OR HAVE GOD-LIKE POWERS, AND MUST HAVE
PROMISED EITHER EARTHLY OR HEAVENLY REDEMPTION TO
SOMEONE ELSE.
2. ENTRANTS MAY BE MYTHOLOGICAL ONLY IF HUMANOID-CAPABLE.
THEY MAY STILL BE ALIVE. THEY DO NOT NEED TO STATE A GIVEN
DATE WHEN THEY WILL PROVIDE PROMISED REDEMPTION AND/OR
DESTRUCTION OF THE EARTH (OR PARTS THEREOF) SERVICES. THEY
SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULD HAVE HAD FOLLOWERS AT SOME TIME.
3. PROPHETS AND/OR AUTHORIZED AGENTS OF GODS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
OFFER NOT VALID IN THEOCRACIES. AUTHOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE
FOR LOSS OF FAITH, CREDULITY, OR MONEY IN BELIEVERS; OR
MARTYRDOM OF SAVIOR(S).
4. New submissions are joyously screened.

* most recent additions

Adad of Ninevah (Assyria)
Alkestus of Aegeia
Atys of Chaldea (Phrygia)
Baal of Phoenicia and Tyre
Bal of Babylon
Bali of Orissa
*Beddin (Beddru) of Japan
Beli (Bali) of Afghanistan
bi-Amrih al Hakim of Egypt
Bremrillah of the Druids
*Budha Sakia of India
Cadmus of the Hellenes
*Coyote Droppings (Wovoka) of the Piute
Crishna of India (Hindostan)
*Crite of Chaldea
David Koresh
Deva-Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam
Elaides (Alcides) of Thebes
Elizabeth Claire Chapel/Count St.-Germain
Eugene Vintras of France
Father Divine (George Baker) of New York
*Feta of the Madaites
*Fohi of China
Gentaut of the Aztecs
Hel and Fata of the Mandans
Hesus (Eros) of the Druids
*Hil of the Madaites
*Holy One of Xaca
Horns of Egypt
Hung Hsiu-chuan of China
Hung Hui Ching of Taiwan
Iao (Jao) of Nepal
Indra of Tibet
*Ischy of Formosa
*Ixion of Rome
J.R. "Bob" Dobbs of Texas
Jacob (ne Leibowicz) Frank of Poland (Zoharists)
Jan Bockelson (Anabaptist of Munster)
Jim Jones (U.S./Guyana)
Joseph-Antoine Boullan
Joshua bar Joseph of Palestine
Kameloxis of Thrace
Konrad Shmidt of Thuringia
Luc Jouret (Joseph di Mambro)(and daughter, Emanuelle)
(of Int'l Chivalric Order Solar Tradition)
Mani of Babylon (Manichaeanism)
*Maria Devi Christos (Marina Tsvygun) of Ukraine
Marshall Applewhite
*Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Moate Kim Miller (of Concerned Christians)
Orus of Egypt
Osiris of Egypt
Prometheus of Greece
Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
Quirinus of Rome
*Rael (Claude Vorilhon) of France
Sakia of Hindustan
Salvahan(a) of Caribec (Bermuda)
Shabbatai ben Zevi of the European Jews
Shiloh, son of Joanna Southcott
Shoko Asahara (Chizuo Matsumoto) of Japan
Sun Myung Moon of Korea
Tammus (Thammuz) of Syria
Tanchelm of Antwerp
*Taut of Phoenicia
*Tenskwatawa of the Shawnee
Thulis of Egypt
*Tien of China
Tornieli Dolcino of Novara
*Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Wittoba of Telingonese (Bilingonese)
*Xaniolxis of Thrace
Zoar of the Bonzes
Zoroaster of Persia
*Zulis (Zhule) of Egypt
************
Deletions/Comments to "Saviors"

It has been pointed out that the various "Mahdis" never
purported to be 'God', only prophets after the "last
prophet" in Islam, Mohammed.

Rabbe Schneerson of the U.S.A. (Lubiviticher Jewish),
while encouraged to vie for "messiah" status, never
actually 'went for it', and is therefore disqualified.
He is doubly disqualified by being dead, a big drawback
in Judaism to being "messiah" (the last time they ignored
a dead one look what happened.) No successor has been
named.

*New disallowed: Jacob Hawkins ("House of Jahweh"), and
Jeffrey Lundgern (Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints.)
Appolonius of Tyana, Cappadocia; and Simon Magus.

"As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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Satanus

Kenn

Paul, who never knew jesus, founded christian churches in corinth, ephesus, phillipi, Pisidian Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, Derbe Thessalonica, Macedonia, Achaia, Perga, Laodicea, Miletus, Thyatira, Troas. In how many cities did matthew, john, bartholomew, peter, james, james, andrew, phillip, thaddaeus, thomas and simon establish churches? See why i call paul christianity's founder?

SS

Satanus

Kenn

Why this reversal in Galatians?

The redactors missed that one:)

SS

plmkrzy

I hope I don't kill this thread but I need to ask.

JosephAlward, and anyone else.

I can understand Not believing in Jesus or even that there never was or will be a Christ. Thats nothing new. But if you truly believe that he wasn't there, why keep looking? I don't get it. Unless you are more unsure then you are unbelieving.

"I look to the sea, reflections in the waves spark my memory
Some happy,some sad"

styx

This one most definitely Happy

Elsewhere

plmkrzy,

I live in a world (actually country) where people are constantly trying to shove it down my throat - I'm entitled to a rebuttal. This also explains why I don’t put too much time into casting doubt on the existence of Sheba; I rarely hear peep about it.

"As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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