Need help...Letter from m-i-l calling us apostates

by TweetieBird 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • cobaltcupcake
    cobaltcupcake

    That's a sad letter.

    I left the organization abruptly and didn't really give my family a chance to respond. They didn't communicate with me except once when my mother was going to have a heart valve replacement. This occurred about a year after I had left. I could tell that both my brother and mother were angry with me and hurt.

    I write to them a couple of times a year to let them know I'm still alive as I'm sure they love me and worry about me despite their blind allegiance to the Society.

    Four years after the phone call, my mother sent me a letter (that shocked me to my shoes) and in it she said, "You're old enough to know what you want. Just be careful."

    I gathered from that statement that she had made peace with the situation and really just wanted me to be happy.

    No letters since. Probably my brother found out about it and read her the riot act.

    I suspect that your MIL will eventually get used to the change in her relationship with you. It will just take some time.

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  • Ding
    Ding

    1. Thank her for her love and assure her of your love in return.

    2. Assure her that you have by no means lost faith in Jehovah or Jesus or the Bible.

    See where she takes it from there.

    3. If you want to try to get her to think, I like the idea of asking her to do research on a topic that troubles you (pick one issue that is likely to trouble her too and stick with it -- the 607 BCE date, the UN NGO scandal, the Conti case or something specific like that.)

    Tell her that you'll be glad to discuss thing with her if she really wants to but that you're not interested in discussing it with others in the congregation (including elders) because you don't want to be accused of being disrespectful or of sowing discord among the brothers.

    Ask questions rather than making declarations.

    "Do you see why this puzzles me (troubles me, upsets me, disturbs me, etc.)?" is a good diagnostic question. It's hard for diehard JWs even to acknowledge that they see why an honorable JW might have difficulties with anything the organization says or does. Once they are able to admit that that an honorable JW might find an issue troubling, they are starting to think. I don't mean a generic "no one is perfect" but a genuine acknowledgment of a specific troubling issue.

  • blondie
    blondie

    So I take it she did not say she would no longer accept money or other help from you since you are an apostate? Sounds like she thinks you are but needs a direct confirmation from you. But I see that you don't feel you are an apostate. Does the WTS say that inactive jws are apostate?

    *** w85 12/15 p. 7 How You Can Show Gratitude for What Jesus Did ***

    Many such Christians are aware that assembling together is a part of God’s worship. But have you ever considered regular attendance at Christian meetings to be a sign of gratefulness? The apostle Paul did. He reasons that way in the 10th chapter of his letter to the Hebrews. He also reveals the danger of indifference to Christian meetings. Such an attitude could cause a Christian to become discouraged and inactive in good deeds of faith. For some others, their appreciation for God’s way of salvation through Christ could be shrinking. If this is true and their dwindling faith is not checked, it may lead to willful sin, even apostasy. This would amount to treating God’s gift as something of “ordinary value,” or as something common, an insult to both Jehovah and Jesus.—Hebrews 10:23-31.

    *** w08 11/15 p. 14 Help Them Return Without Delay! ***Was It a Problem With a Teaching?

    10 Some may have left God’s flock because they did not agree with some Scriptural teaching. The Israelites freed from Egyptian bondage “forgot [God’s] works” on their behalf and “did not wait for his counsel.” (Ps. 106:13) It may be helpful to remind an inactive one that “the faithful and discreet slave” is dispensing excellent spiritual food. (Matt. 24:45) That is how the person originally learned the truth. So why should he not be determined to walk in the truth again?—2 John 4.

    *** w82 1/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

    The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 23, showed that there is a difference between (a) a Christian who becomes spiritually weak and inactive, and (b) a person who clearly renounces his being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, leading the congregation elders to announce that he has “disassociated” himself. It seems that your son fits the first description.

    The Watchtower mentioned that some Christians become weak in faith and spirituality. This occurred also in the first century. (Romans 14:1, 2; 1 Corinthians 11:30) It does not mean that they have ceased to be Christians. Even if they become so weak that they no longer share the “good news” with others and stop attending meetings, and they are not bringing reproach on the Christian congregation, they are still to be regarded as our spiritual brothers and sisters.

    *** w93 7/15 p. 27 Tenderly Shepherding Jehovah’s Precious Sheep ***

    Jesus gave an illustration about a man who had a hundred sheep but promptly searched for one that had strayed in order to bring it back to the flock. (Matthew 18:12-14; Luke 15:3-7) In like manner an overseer should have concern for each member of the congregation. Inactivity in the ministry or in attending Christian meetings does not mean that the sheep is no longer part of the flock. He remains part of “all the flock” for whom the elders must “render an account” to Jehovah.

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    TweetieBird, tough situation. Obviously MIL loves you and her son. Still she's under the control of the cult, plain and simple.

    There's really no point in trying to refute the "apostate" label. From their piont of view you are apostates.

    You've gotten some good suggestions so far. I'd just like to add this. She said,

    1. I must have failed in some way to indication that deep love of Jehovah and his Son in you.
    2. I don't know who or what has turned you against Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract organization

    You could respond, "Mom, you have not failed us, the WTBTS has. We love you, we always will no matter what."

    Your continuing to be loving in spite of the behavior of your in-laws in the best sermon your MIL could ever hear.

    Best wishes,

    00DAD

  • belbab
    belbab

    Tweets.

    Your mother writes: I want to quote to you from the World Book Dictionary under the word apostate 'a person who completely forsakes his religion, faith, ......

    One time a young JW couple came to my door, not knowing my background as a former JW. Finally after a lenghty discussion, I told them I used to be a JW. They asked me, Why did I leave Jehovah's Witnesses? I replied: I didn't leave them, they left me. I still held my belief in the Bible, and endeavored to keep the principles of the Creator and his son. It is the Watchtower that has left the true faith.

    By your generous actions in the paying the mortgage over and beyond the amount due, shows you have not abandonned your beliefs or faith.

    belbab

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    What Tec and Talesin said.

    There is one question that might make a huge difference, and you can get her to ask it to herself: "why are the apostate kids treating me better than the JW kids?" Don't get in a cat fight over TTAT or anything. Just keep being good children, make your payment plus a little extra every month, include a note that you love and care for her. Leave it at that.

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    This same thing- mother types saying I failed you has come up for me a lot recently.

    Its nonsense, and also selfish. Such a statement does not acknowledge your autonomy as an adult. It also makes your actions all about the other person. Are you not capable of making your own decisions and becoming the person you are without the influence of the family and parents. Of course you are! I have no advice for you, but when that nonsense comes up for me I remind my mother of my sucesses and point out she had nothing to do with any of them.

    Its cruel but she knows its true, as they tried to prevent me from doing so many things in my life, until I finally broke free.

    I am sorry but you have to be clear, at least with yourself- this is manipulative bullshit, and you are an independent person.

    good luck with this (this sort of thing is a bit close to home)

  • loosie
    loosie

    Well unless she was a born in witness and came to the jws from another religion... she is an apostate as well. Most of the people that go to her meeting came from other religions so that makes them apostates as well... when she goes to the meeting she is associating with apostates.

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    The Searcher-great points that I will try to incorporate into my letter to her.

    Cobaltcupcake-I do love her but we moved away from our hometown over 7 years ago. I don't wish her or the other family members any harm, but we have continued our lives without the rest of the family. I have a husband, 4 boys and a grandson that want nothing to do with JW's and that's all that really matters to me. "Out of sight, out of mind."

    Ding-my plan exactly

    Blondie-as always, you're amazing...will definitely refer to your quotes

    00Dad-love your response-will probably quote you

    belbab-love that response about WTS leaving me..so much great ammo to use

    JeffT-love where you are going with that, but I hope that she comes to that conclusion on her own

    perfect1-she is famous for her guilt trips...

    loosie-she was not born in but her mom became a witness when she was 10 so she pretty much was indoctrinated from a very young age

  • Ding
    Ding

    If you ever directly attack the organization to her, your mother-in-law is likely to turn on you -- denounce you, shun you, and the like.

    However, if you frame things as you being "puzzled," "troubled," "bothered," "confused," "upset," "stumbled," etc. by specific things the WTS has said or done she is more likely to stay in contact with you and try to help you sort it all out.

    Whether that helps open her mind remains to be seen, but I think it gives you the best chance of keeping a relationship with her while still staying out of the organization.

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