"Melchizedek" might mean, "My king is Jupiter" or "my God is Jupiter"... (page 3)

NOLAW

If the part of about Mel. and UB was omitted it would be more safe and easy to read. Anyway nice quote.

well a mod can erase the post from the one site i quoted, the looooong one, I did put the site itself on the top of it. If they erase it I can just link the site. It wont' let me change it since it's been more then 30 min.

Leolaia

Ahhhhh the Urantia Book. I love modern-day apocrypha.

drewcoul

jupiter: jah (god) (also: zeus) + petar (father)

I don't remember where i got the etymological research from, but

learning this made me open my eyes to the common origins of religious

traditions from ancient times through Christianity. I believe in God, I just understand

he has presented himself throughout history in different ways.

EndofMysteries

leolaia - it was interesting, it was a combination of the Urantia book, the dead sea scrolls and the bible. I am curious, the claim is made that in the dead sea scrolls on quotes from Isiah and Psalms, it has Melchizedek where in our modern day bible had YHWH or El. Makes me wonder who changed what, were the dead sea scrolls with those quotes the original then the bible arranged in 300AD having the change, or was the change in the dead sea scrolls the changed part.

Leolaia

The first syllable in Iuppiter isn't related to Yah/Yahweh, but it is related to Zeus. Compare Umbrian Iupater, Greek Zeus patèr, Illyrian Deipaturos, Sanskrit Dyaušpita, etc. From PIE *dyeusp e tèr.

I am curious, the claim is made that in the dead sea scrolls on quotes from Isiah and Psalms, it has Melchizedek where in our modern day bible had YHWH or El.

No that's not right....the divine name is some form of YHWH or 'Adonai in the Qumran biblical texts. Rather Melchizedek occurs in some texts (such as 11QMelch) as a heavenly/messianic figure.

EndofMysteries

This is the part I am talking about, "

The author of 11 QMelch says that the agent of the future jubilee salvation will be a heavenly deliverer: Melchizedek. In this text, he is an exalted divine being, to whom are applied biblical titles generally reserved for God alone: the Hebrew nouns El and Elohim (though they are also applied to angelic or divine beings a few times.) The mysterious king-priest of Salem stands in the place of God in the final judgment.

In the author’s citation of Isaiah 61:2 (which speaks of “the year of the LORD’s favor”) the name Melchizedek is substituted for YHVH, the name of Israel’s God. Also, Melchizedek is said to atone for the sins of the righteous and to execute judgment usually associated with God himself upon the wicked’s actions . The author also quotes Psalm 82:1 (“Elohim stands in the council of El”) but inserts “Melchizedek” in place of “Elohim” (God). ..."

GromitSK

@BoC - arf :)

Leolaia

Hmmm, the author is wrong about Psalm 82:1. "Elohim" occurs in the quotation in 11QMelch. The claim that Melchizedek replaces YHWH in the allusion of Isaiah 61:2 is uncertain. It seems more like "year of grace" is what is alluded to and then applied by the author to Melchizedek, rather than replacing YHWH with Melchizedek in the allusion. BTW, the reference to Psalm 82:1 is a formal quotation ("as it is written in the songs of David") whereas we have only an allusion in the reference to Isaiah 61:2, which reuses a phrase (š e nat ratsôn) intertextually (without explicitly quoting the source text).

Indeed Melchizedek displaces Yahweh exegetically in 11QMelch, and he has a role somewhat similar to that of Michael in the Hebrew apocalypse of Daniel.

Satanus

Gods come and go, but brahman always is. All is brahman.

S

"Melchizedek" might mean, "My king is Jupiter" or "my God is Jupiter"...

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