This was just on channel 4 in the UK

by Mickey mouse 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    "Two wrongs don't make a right"

    Wrong by whose standard?

    Does any wrong justify abandonment by all your family? I know what you mean, as a JW I would have called her a liar outright and said it all sounded like an excuse and that she was rightly cleansed from the cong. Now I would never judge without all the facts and even then, nothing justifies the family cutting her off. It is such an abnormal, unloving, cultish, family destroying, heart wrenching, unscriptural, inhumane...policy and teaching. This woman whether she is telling the truth or not, should have her family. The story is irrelevant. Her 'wrong' (in whoever's eyes it is wrong) is irrelevant.

    Jesus attached himself to the biggest sinners, the most sinful! He gave his time, love and attention to those that were due a stoning by mosaic law ! I don't believe in the bible, but I am making the point that there is not even a religious defence for this hateful doctrine, in place as a means to control information and association, nothing more.

    People in the NORMAL world 2012AD, will look at this and go "Thats Fuc*ing turkey nuts!" not one will say "hmmm her family have abandoned her BUT her reason for leaving DOES seems a little strange!" The reality is , we all believe her when she says her family have shunned her, and that is just wrong and bat sh*t crazy! This cult is horrid!

  • krejames
    krejames

    Snare&Racket. To hurt her family by pretending to have an affair, I think many people whether religious or not would raise an eyebrow at that. That was my thinking. I was just having trouble getting my head around the logic of pretending to have an affair instead of just leaving. That said, Theocratic Sedition made a good point that made me think again.

    The trouble with these little clips on Channel 4 is that they can never tell the whole story. There's obviously a lot more to this on both sides of the argument. I'm sure (actually I know) there are many families out there religious or not who have shunned other family members for things they have done. Religion doesn't always come into it. If you have read any of my other posts you will know that I am dead set against disfellowshipping and shunning. but at the same time I feel uncomfortable when people appear to think they can hurt people themselves and then not expect any consequences in the way people view or treat them at least for a while. The woman on the clip said she pretended to have an affair. She has a family. It stands to reason that people got hurt. and it stands to reason that some people will have behaved differently towards her after that and indeed might have found it quite easy to shun her whether for religious reasons or not. We don't have enough information in this clip to judge either side of the story in this case - hers or the JWs and that really was the only point I was trying to make.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    "People appear to think they can hurt people themselves and then not expect any consequences in the way people view or treat them at least for a while."

    I see no evidence for this? No offence but that is a heap of assumption and judgment. For example.... maybe she had an abusive husband and feared for her life and so had to leave him AS WELL as the JW's and came up with what seemed a good idea at the time. Maybe she was mentally tangled up due to the pressure of the decision and all the tangled brainwashing she was put through. Maybe she saw someone get free of the JWs following an affair and so had it in mind as a way to leave..... we dont know. Also, in the same vein, a happy marriage has never ended in divorce.... ever. Bad marriages are not happy, those people need to seperate! If someone wants to leave a JW marriage its tough S ! I have seen violence and mental abuse brushed under the carpet by elders, as they tell the wives to be submissive, pray more and work hard at the marriage. Husbands are told to love their wives as themselves. How does a woman leave that situation? Is it going to be messy...... maybe ! Will she get it right..... maybe not! Is it for us to judge..... nope.

    People have the right to make mistakes and they have the right to leave a religion without the loss of their WHOLE family and friends. Normal healthy minded parents have an inbuilt nature to protect and love unconditionally, its not a love of logic but one of evoloutionary construct, designed to protect at all costs your young. Some people are broken in this regard, some will hurt their children with the blink of an eye. Some will abandon them because of brain washing or selfish benefit. The majority will just look on at this kind of behaviour with disbelief !!!

    As for the circumstances of people actually having affairs etc... it happens. It happens in real life! It happens all over the congregations! People have feelings, emotions, desires and wants, the same as all the animals. Sometimes we lose control over those natural urges. If it is not done with intention to tear someoens heart out, then how can anyone judge? We have all done this in one form or another, it may not be sex or cheating. But we have all been shitty humans acting on instict etc. If you think you are not capable of giving in to evolution, I think you are underestimating nature ! (no offence ).

    We just dont know. As for me, the story is irrelevant, her parents shun her because of their religion and would do had the affair been real or not, had she been DF'd for anything from an 'apostate' post online here, to having an abrasive attitude with an elder or due to smoking! If smoking pollutes the body, what the hell do people think they are doing with a car engine? How about giving every kid in the neighbourhood atopy disease (asthma, eczema, allergic rhinitis)! Yet for one of these acts you can lose your family, both harm the users and others. But neither is intentional or with bad motive.

    Normal people think that is crazy, as you yourself say, you have long agreed the doctrine is awful.

    Often on here we battle over our differnces in thought, we should more often discuss what we agree about and in reality we all agree that it is VERY wrong to shun your family, your children etc because 7 men in a factory deem it a loving act, when in reality we all know its about control.

    It is bat crap crazy, evil and unatural.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The only way to leave JWs is to have an affair? Huh?

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    Was she leaving a jw husband at the same time she was leaving the Watchtower? If so, two birds, one stone.

  • krejames
    krejames

    Snare&Racket. That's a lot of maybes. I stand by the last sentence of my previous post.

  • oldlightnewshite
    oldlightnewshite

    Good vid. I think it's cool that she decided to fake an affair to get out. i think for non Dubs, it kind of reinforces what drastic action is needed to get out. She might've thought she might be reproved for anything else, and maybe could not be doing with the 'encouragement' and stalking etc, which accompanies a decision to just leave for doctrinal reasons. her extreme choice is a good thing, and highlights what an evil insidious cult the JWs are. Plus, the folks in her congregation (if they see this vid) might just stop and think about the fact that she chose to lie about such an awful thing just to get out.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    She was in Brighton area!

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Mmm....I smell hypocrisy

    Loz x

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Knowing her and her story very well, the option she chose was the best one for her and her family, you can't Judge this until you know the whole story, so don't try!

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