Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-01-2012 WT Study (CITIZENS)

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    blondie

    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-07-2012 WT Study (AUGUST 15, 2012, pages 11-15)(KINGDOM CITIZENS)(sorry this is late have been doctoring)

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    CARRY ON AS KINGDOM CITIZENS!

    “Carry on as citizens.”

    —PHIL. 1:27, ftn.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Footnote???? Will the WTS discuss why they could not put it in the main scripture?

    Internet

    Family Worship

    Why capitalized?

    Who are the rulers per the WTS?

    Can the non-anointed be sons of God, when?

    Can the anointed be sons of God, when?

    START OF ARTICLE

    HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

    Who can be Kingdom citizens?

    What do we need to do regarding

    the Kingdom’s language,

    history, and laws?

    How do Kingdom citizens show

    that they love God’s standards?

    1, 2. Why did Paul’s counsel to the congregation in Philippi

    have special significance?

    THE apostle Paul encouraged the congregation

    in Philippi to “behave in a manner worthy of

    the good news.” (Read Philippians 1:27.) The

    Greek expression that Paul used for the word “behave”

    may also be rendered “carry on as citizens.”

    That phrase had special significance for the congregation

    in Philippi. Why? Because it seems that Philippi

    was one of a select group of cities where the

    inhabitants had been granted a form of Roman citizenship.

    Roman citizens in Philippi and throughout

    the Roman Empire were proud of their status

    and enjoyed special protection under Roman law.

    COMMENTS

    What is the Greek expression?

    “it seems” where is the proof:

    2 Members of the congregation in Philippi had

    greater reason for being proud. Paul reminded them

    that as anointed Christians their citizenship existed

    “in the heavens.” (Phil. 3:20) They were citizens, not

    of a mere human empire, but of God’s Kingdom. As

    such, they enjoyed unparalleled protection and benefits.—

    Eph. 2:19-22.

    COMMENTS

    Anointed Christians, their citizenship in the heavens (why only a snippet of Phil. 3:20?)

    All Christians anointed in the first century…all citizens…is that true in the jw organization/congregations today?

    3. (a) Who have the opportunity to be Kingdom citizens?

    (b) What will we consider in this article?

    3 Paul’s admonition to “carry on as citizens” applies

    principally to those who will rule with Christ

    in heaven. (Phil. 3:20) But by extension, it can be applied

    to those who will be the earthly subjects of

    God’s Kingdom. Why? Because all dedicated Christians

    serve the same King, Jehovah, and must live

    up to the same standards. (Eph. 4:4-6) Today, people

    work hard to qualify to become citizens of a prosperous

    country. How much more should we value

    the opportunity to be Kingdom citizens! To deepen

    our appreciation for that privilege, let us consider

    some similarities between the requirements

    for becoming a citizen of a human

    government and a citizen of God’s

    Kingdom. We will then examine three

    things we must do if we are to retain the

    honor of being Kingdom citizens.

    COMMENTS

    Applies PRINCIPALLY to those who rule in heaven with Jesus

    BY EXTENSION…where does this extension originate in the bible?

    All dedicated Christians = only jws

    Same King, Jehovah, isn’t Jesus the king of the kingdom?

    What a slam that people today only want to be a citizen for material reasons!

    Retain = who decides that someone is “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses” that is a kingdom citizen…God…Jesus…or 3 human males chosen by other imperfect humans males.

    REQUIREMENTS FOR CITIZENSHIP

    4. What is the pure language, and how do we

    “speak” it?

    4 Learn the language. Some human

    governments require that those applying

    for citizenship speak the dominant

    language of the country. Even after being

    granted citizenship, people may

    strive for years to master the new language.

    They may quickly learn the rules

    of grammar but may take some time to

    learn to pronounce the words correctly.

    Similarly, God’s Kingdom requires that

    its citizens learn what the Bible calls

    the “pure language.” (Read Zephaniah

    3:9.) What is that language? It is the

    truth about God and about his purposes

    as found in the Bible. We “speak”

    the pure language when our conduct is

    in accord with God’s laws and principles.

    Citizens of God’s Kingdom may

    learn basic Bible teachings quickly and

    get baptized. Even after their baptism,

    however, they must strive to “speak”

    the pure language better and better. In

    what way? Each of us needs to close the

    gap between what we know about Bible

    principles and what we practice.

    COMMENTS

    How many people born in a country speak the language correctly?

    Who decides whether a male individual can have a beard or not? God? Or the elders?

    Who decides whether a female individual must wear a skirt/dress at the KH?

    How many laws did Jesus say God’s people had? TWO.

    Servant or overseer

    Servant or elder

    Pilgrim or circuit servant…overseer

    Congregation book study or congregation bible study

    Rendezvouz---anyone remember that term?

    Return visit – back call

    Colporteur – pioneer

    Approved associate – unbaptized publisher

    Congregation servant – Presiding Overseer – COBOE

    Add yours here

    5. Why should we learn all we can about the

    history of Jehovah’s organization?

    5 Study history. A person desiring to

    become a citizen of a human government

    might have to learn something

    about that government’s history. Likewise,

    those desiring to be Kingdom citizens

    do well to learn all they can about

    God’s Kingdom. Consider the example

    set by the sons of Korah, who served

    in ancient Israel. They took great delight

    in Jerusalem and its place of worship

    and in recounting the city’s history.

    It was not the stones and mortar that

    impressed them most but what the city

    and that place of worship represented.

    Jerusalem was “the town of the grand

    King,” Jehovah, for it was the center of

    pure worship. It was there that Jehovah’s

    Law was taught. It was to the people

    ruled by the King of Jerusalem that

    Jehovah expressed his loving-kindness.

    (Read Psalm 48:1, 2, 9, 12, 13.) Like

    them, do you have a desire to study and

    recount the history of the earthly part of

    Jehovah’s organization? The more you

    learn about God’s organization and how

    Jehovah supports his people, the more

    real God’s Kingdom will be to you. Your

    desire to preach the good news of the

    Kingdom will naturally intensify.—Jer. 9:

    24; Luke 4:43.

    COMMENTS

    How many citizens born in their country know their own history? I just saw a man who did not know when or where the Civil War was….4 generations in this country.

    How many jws know the true history of the WTS? How many know where to find the history of the WTS? If the WTS had not assigned material from the Proclaimers book for the #1 talk in the school, how many then would have even read part of it?

    1874 or 1914 the year of Christ’s presence?

    See www.jwfacts.com

    PICTURE: Like the sons of Korah, do you find delight

    in pure worship and its history?

    Were women or men allowed in this part of the temple? But boys were? Do you see a parallel in the congregation?

    6. Why is it reasonable that Jehovah requires

    us to learn and obey Kingdom laws and principles?

    6 Know the laws. Human governments

    require that their subjects learn

    and obey the laws of the land. It seems

    only reasonable, then, that Jehovah

    should expect us to learn and obey

    the laws and principles that govern all

    Kingdom citizens. (Isa. 2:3; John 15:

    10; 1 John 5:3) Human laws are often

    flawed and may be unfair. In contrast,

    “the law of Jehovah is perfect.” (Ps. 19:7)

    Do we delight in God’s law and read

    his Word each day? (Ps. 1:1, 2) The only

    way we can learn God’s law is to study

    it for ourselves. Nobody else can do this

    for us.

    COMMENTS

    Obey the laws of the land…….transplant or not (before 1967 and 1980 and after)

    Superior authorities

    S&G resurrected

    Cry out when raped or not

    Human laws are often flawed?!!!!! In the WTS too because humans are making the laws not God.

    Yes, study the bible but without the WTS publications.

    *************

    KINGDOM CITIZENS LOVE GOD’S STANDARDS

    7. Kingdom citizens live by what higher standard?

    7 To remain Kingdom citizens, we

    need not only to know God’s standards

    but also to love them. Many citizens

    of human governments say that they

    agree with the laws and standards of the

    country in which they live. However,

    when they find a requirement to be inconvenient

    and feel that nobody is looking,

    they break the law. Often, these

    people are “men pleasers.” (Col. 3:22)

    Kingdom citizens live by a higher standard.

    We gladly obey God’s laws, even

    when no other human is looking. Why?

    Because we love the Lawmaker.—Isa. 33:

    22; read Luke 10:27.

    COMMENTS

    Love the standards, not God?

    Inconvenient laws…what WTS laws did you or do you know jws find “inconvenient”?

    Do jws obey the WTS laws (or what they say are God’s laws) when no human is looking?

    JEHOVAH HAS LEFT THE LAND AND HE IS NOT SEEING

    8, 9. How can you know whether you truly

    love God’s laws?

    8 How can you know whether you

    truly love God’s laws? Examine the way

    you react when you receive counsel

    about what you feel is a personal preference—

    for example, on the matter of

    dress and grooming. Before becoming

    a Kingdom citizen, you may have preferred

    to dress sloppily or provocatively.

    As your love for God grew, you

    learned to dress in a way that honors

    him. (1 Tim. 2:9, 10; 1 Pet. 3:3, 4) You

    may feel that you now dress modestly.

    But what if an elder was to tell you

    that your preference in attire is causing

    serious offense to a number of publishers

    in the congregation? How would

    you respond? Would you become defensive,

    resentful, or stubborn? A foundation

    law of God’s Kingdom is that all

    citizens imitate Christ. (1 Pet. 2:21) Regarding

    Jesus’ example, the apostle Paul

    wrote: “Let each of us please his neighbor

    in what is good for his upbuilding.

    For even the Christ did not please

    himself.” (Rom. 15:2, 3) For the sake

    of peace in the congregation, a mature

    Christian is willing to yield without resentment

    to the consciences of others.

    —Rom. 14:19-21.

    COMMENTS

    So who gives that counsel, the elder who does not follow it himself; or counsels you with only one persons input, assuming you are guilty without talking to you?

    Causing serious offense to whom? Matthew 18???????????? Could he have the wrong person? I was accused of a wrong and was not allowed to explain that I was not even in the country at the time for the person to have see me doing it.

    For the sake of peace the WTS thinks you should be wronged.

    9 Consider two more topics of vital

    concern: our attitude toward sex and

    our view of marriage. Those who are not

    yet citizens of God’s Kingdom may condone

    homosexuality, consider pornography

    to be harmless fun, and think that

    adultery and divorce are purely personal

    matters. Kingdom citizens have abandoned

    such shortsighted, self-centered

    attitudes. Although many Christians

    formerly had an immoral lifestyle, they

    now view sex and marriage as gifts from

    God. They treasure Jehovah’s high standards

    and wholeheartedly agree that

    those who continue to engage in sexual

    misconduct are not worthy of being

    Kingdom citizens. (1 Cor. 6:9-11) However,

    they also recognize that the heart

    is treacherous. (Jer. 17:9) So they appreciate

    receiving specific warnings that

    help them to maintain high moral standards.

    COMMENTS

    No homosexuality, pornography, but what does the WTS advise women whose husbands beat them? What is their view of marriage?

    How many jws know that in the WTS past women/men could not divorce spouses that had same sex sexual partners or committed bestiality?

    *** w72 1/1 31-2 Questions from Readers ***

    Do homosexual acts on the part of a married person constitute a Scriptural ground for divorce, freeing the innocent mate to remarry?

    While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual one flesh with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate.

    12/15/72 WT QFR this was reversed

    KINGDOM CITIZENS APPRECIATE WARNINGS

    10, 11. What timely warnings does God’s

    Kingdom issue, and how do you feel about such

    warnings?

    10 Human governments may provide

    health alerts regarding foods and medicines.

    Obviously, not all foods and medicines

    are bad. But if a specific product

    poses a threat, the government may

    issue balanced warnings to protect its

    citizens. If the government did not do

    so, it would be guilty of negligence.

    Similarly, God’s Kingdom issues timely

    warnings about specific moral and

    spiritual dangers. For instance, the Internet

    has become a useful way to provide

    communication, education, and entertainment.

    God’s organization makes

    use of the Internet and accomplishes

    much good with it. However, many sites

    on the Internet are morally and spiritually

    dangerous. Web sites that promote

    pornography pose an obvious threat to

    the spiritual health of Kingdom citizens.

    For decades, the faithful slave class has

    warned us about such sites. How grateful

    we are for these spiritual health

    alerts!

    COMMENTS

    BALANCED = what is unbalanced?

    SPECIFIC moral dangers = see about divorce based on homosexuality/bestiality above

    **What sexual behaviors are forbidden to jws married to each other? Has the WTS been consistent? If not, does that mean God was not consistent?

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/oral-anal-sex.php

    Internet = why is this capitalized?

    PORNOGRAPHY IS STILL A PROBLEM IN THE WTS DESPITE WARNINGS ONCE OR MORE TIMES EACH YEAR. WHY, BECAUSE THOSE JWS BELIEVE GOD IS NOT SEEING.

    11 In recent years, another type of site

    has become very popular—one that can

    be useful if used with great caution. But

    these sites, known as social networking

    Web sites, also have the potential

    for being destructive. They can expose a

    person to bad associations. (1 Cor. 15:

    33) Little wonder, then, that God’s organization

    has issued balanced warnings

    about the use of such sites. Have you

    read all the recent material published

    by the faithful slave about the use of

    social networking sites? How unwise it

    would be to use such sites without reading

    that material!* It would be like taking

    a powerful medicine without reading

    the warning label on the bottle.

    *For example, see Awake! July 2011, pages 24-27;

    August 2011, pages 10-13; and February 2012, pages

    3-9.

    COMMENTS

    What about jw websites? Does the WTS track them down and force them to take them down?

    Have you searched on Facebook and found jws in your area?

    How many people read the label?

    12. Why is it foolish to ignore warnings?

    12 Those who ignore warnings issued

    by the faithful slave inevitably cause

    harm to themselves and to their loved

    ones. Some have become addicted to

    viewing pornography or have committed

    immorality and then deluded themselves

    into thinking that Jehovah cannot

    see what they are doing. How foolish

    to believe that we can hide our conduct

    from Jehovah! (Prov. 15:3; read Hebrews

    4:13.) God wants to help such ones and

    prompts his earthly representatives to

    try to assist them. (Gal. 6:1) However,

    just as human governments can revoke

    the citizenship of a person who commits

    certain acts, Jehovah will revoke the

    citizenship of those who unrepentantly

    break his standards.* (1 Cor. 5:11-13)

    Nevertheless, he is merciful. Those who

    repent and change their course of conduct

    can regain a good standing with Jehovah

    and remain as Kingdom citizens.

    (2 Cor. 2:5-8) What an honor we have to

    serve such a loving King!

    *See The Watchtower of March 15, 2012, pages

    30-31.

    COMMENTS

    Do the warnings come from God?

    Faithful slave = God?

    Rather, hide our conduct from the elders and WTS reps

    What does a person have to do to have their citizenship revoked in the US?

    http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html

    Lose citizenship in WTS = disfellowshipping, decided by the elders, reps of the WTS

    PICTURE: Do you heed Bible-based warnings

    about the Internet?

    KINGDOM CITIZENS VALUE EDUCATION

    13. How do Kingdom citizens show that they

    value education?

    13 Many human governments work

    hard to educate their citizens. They organize

    schools that promote literacy and

    teach practical work skills. Kingdom citizens

    appreciate these secular schools

    and diligently learn to read, write, and

    support themselves financially. They

    value even more highly the education

    they receive as citizens of God’s Kingdom.

    Through the Christian congregation,

    Jehovah promotes literacy. Parents

    are encouraged to read to their young

    children. Each month, the faithful slave

    publishes a number of pages of Bible based

    material in The Watchtower and

    Awake! If you read a couple of pages

    each day of the month, you will be keeping

    up with this vital channel of Kingdom

    education.

    COMMENTS

    Education is only to learn to read, write, and do math?

    How many jws read the WTS publications? Who comments/ed in your congregation? Were they reading from the paragraph? How many jws can honestly say they have read the whole bible?

    People seeking citizenship in the US or other countries have to know about the history…how many jws could tell you who Fred Franz or Nathan Knorr were?

    Notice the WTS advises reading their material not the bible. Jws can’t understand the bible without the WTS/FDS/GB.

    ***w94 10/1 p.8***

    CHANNEL TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE

    JESUS assured us that after his death and resurrection, he would raise up a “faithful and discreet slave” that would serve as his channel of communication. (Matthew 24:45-47) The apostle Paul identified this channel to the Ephesian Christians when he wrote that “there might be made known through the congregation the greatly diversified wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose that he formed in connection with the Christ, Jesus our Lord.” (Ephesians 3:10, 11) It was the congregation of anointed Christians, born at Pentecost 33 C.E., that was entrusted with the “things revealed.” (Deuteronomy 29:29) As a group, anointed Christians serve as the faithful and discreet slave. (Luke 12:42-44) Their appointed assignment from God is to provide spiritual understanding of the “things revealed.”

    Even as Bible prophecy pointed forward to the Messiah, it also directs us to the close-knit body of anointed Christian Witnesses that now serve as the faithful and discreet slave. It helps us to understand the Word of God. All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—John 6:68.

    14. (a) What training do we receive? (b) What

    suggestions for Family Worship evening have

    you enjoyed applying?

    14 Each week, Kingdom citizens receive

    training at their congregation

    meetings. For example, the Theocratic

    Ministry School has for over six decades

    helped students to be effective teachers

    of God’s Word. Are you enrolled in this

    school? In recent years the faithful slave

    has particularly promoted the weekly

    Family Worship evening. This arrangement

    strengthens the family unit. Have

    you been able to apply the suggestions

    published in our literature?*

    *See The Watchtower, August 15, 2011, pages 6-7

    and Our Kingdom Ministry, January 2011, pages 3-6.

    COMMENTS

    Jws hate doing talks; many avoid even being in the school and often cancel at the last minute. Many elders wives aren’t in the school.

    With a script handed to the jw acting as the householder, is the student really learning to be an EFFECTIVE TEACHER or a parrot?

    Family Worship = new term for the family study = fathers and some mothers rarely meet once a week. And now that bible study slips aren’t required, how do the elders know who is having this “privilege”?

    15. What is one of the greatest privileges that

    we have?

    15 Citizens of human governments

    will publicly rally support for a political

    party, even going from door to door to

    do so. On a much larger scale, Kingdom

    citizens vigorously support God’s Kingdom both

    on the street and from door to

    door. In fact, as mentioned in the preceding

    study article, The Watchtower,

    which announces Jehovah’s Kingdom, is

    now the most widely distributed journal

    on earth! One of the greatest privileges

    we have is that of telling others about

    God’s Kingdom. Are you zealously engaging

    in the preaching work?—Matt. 28:

    19, 20.

    COMMENTS

    I can tell you that not one jw has called on us door to door, but in today’s political climate we have had 15 different individuals in the last year. Do jws think that their own lives and the lives of the people they talk to are at risk? If so, where is the zeal!

    MOST WIDELY DISTRIBUTED: left in doors, Laundromats, hospital tables, etc. So how many doors, Laundromats or hospitals have become jws? You have to talk to people and when they are home, not weekdays or Saturday mornings when people are rarely home.

    16. How can you prove that you are a good citizen

    of God’s Kingdom?

    16 Soon God’s Kingdom will be the

    only government ruling the earth. It will

    oversee all aspects of daily life, not only

    spiritual but also civil. Will you be a good

    citizen of God’s Kingdom at that time?

    Now is the time to prove that you will be.

    In all the decisions you make each day,

    do all things for Jehovah’s glory and thus

    prove that you are carrying on as a good

    citizen of God’s Kingdom.—1 Cor. 10:31.

    COMMENTS

    SOON = 1879 to 2012 = 133 years and the end is not yet. 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’s, 1975, (1984), (1994) all years many jws were told the end was very, very near, on the threshold, fast-approaching.

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

    GOOD CITIZEN = only baptized jws in “good standing”

    http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php

    All others will be executed and will die eternally, no hope for a resurrection.

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Next week, BEWARE OF THE DEVIL’S SNARES. Can you think of the 5 without looking?

    Love, Blondie

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Marking!!

    Thanks, Blondie!

    waterfall

    Thought I'd do something a little different, this time...

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    5.." Like them, do you have a desire to study and

    recount the history of the earthly part of

    Jehovah’s organization? The more you

    learn about God’s organization and how

    Jehovah supports his people, the more

    real God’s Kingdom will be to you. "

    Ho Ho! Do I really read this? I must bookmark the comment for the next time that I am told that I spend too much time dwelling on the past of what the Society has done. If they tell me not to read old books?.....We have this to answer with now

    6.."The only way we can learn God’s law is to study

    it for ourselves. Nobody else can do this

    for us."

    When I was struggling with the WT teachings I went back to reading more, and The Bible. It only made me more confused and ready to grasp the unthinkable truth - that it was all not true.

    8.".But what if an elder was to tell you

    that your preference in attire is causing

    serious offense to a number of publishers

    in the congregation? How would

    you respond? "

    What about my conscience? Surely my choices are relevant too? Not just those of Sis. Busybody who grumbled to Bro NarrowElder. In fact the WT has upheld this view elsewhere.

    WT 2000 5/1 p16

    "On the other hand, by learning to rely on our trained Christian conscience, we can make good choices even when there is no specific direction in writing. It is vital to keep in mind, however, that when there is no divinely provided principle, rule, or law, it would be improper to impose the judgments of our own conscience on fellow Christians in what are purely personal matters."

    12..". Those who ignore warnings issued

    by the faithful slave"

    Hmm. Little did we know when we read this that the F & D Slave were not the F & D S that we thought they were!!

    13.." How do Kingdom citizens show that they

    value education?"

    Value education? Only so far as teaching to read and learn English if it helps to "Spread the good news". Any higher education is , well, you know......

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    BluesBrother, I had the same reaction to paragraph five. Surely they don't want people to look too deeply in to their history. On another thread, one wit pointed out that this direction is likely to try and drum up sales of the WT history DVD.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Par 14 shows just how far behind the times the JWs are.

    ‘In recent years the faithful slave has particularly promoted the weekly Family Worship evening.’

    Family Worship night is a relatively new term with WT. Shouldn’t they have been doing this all along? Jehovah’s Witnesses have been around for 130+ years. Yet WT admits that it has not in past years promoted enough family worship. Could that be a reason why JWs today have a high incident of family problems and low retention rate?

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Don't remember this. I think I bailed out on this meeting too!

    Thanks to BLONDIE for reminding me how many meetings I have missed!

  • twinkle toes
    twinkle toes

    Yes, Yes, we understand your husband is regularly having sex with a wilderbeast. Although it is perverted and disgusting, were gonna allow it.

    tt

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Though I do not love God's laws (I hate virtually every single one of them), if one does love God's law, they should abhor any man-made law that clashes with it. Is it really God's law to have to do a certain amount of field circus per month? Or, to wear a white dress shirt, or a dark grey-or greyish suit, at the discretion of Brother Hounder? Yes, a couple of people are listed in the LIE-ble as having been beheaded during a birthday party. Does that mean that God's law prohibits birthday celebrations, or just chopping off innocent people's heads? And what about Christmas? Right in their own LIE-ble, Luke 2:10-14 details the first Christmas celebration. It details how angels in heaven were celebrating Christmas--the first Christmas celebration, at Jesus' birth. How can that be against God's law? Did those angels later get demoted to demons in their own LIE-ble?

    Beyond the issue of making sure it really is God's law, what if in fact God's law restrains and restricts? What if it binds? Jehovah has so many sins that people are bound up. Sex is highly regulated--notice the LIE-ble does bash homosexuality. You are supposed to love everything and everyone, even those trying to enslave you and the whole world. Trying to be the best you can be is a sin, since you are supposed to sit in church and listen to some rubbish about Jesus saving from some "original sin" that never happened. You sin with a bad thought--thinking about harming someone that is consistently mean-spirited toward you is "sin". And enjoying your life is sin--most churches aim for people giving 10% on the gross of their income to God. Does God really need that 10%? Suppose you skip that giving and do the "silver tithe"? You spend 10% of your income on silver, and keep the silver. Sin?

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    Pure language? Ha!

    Quick, tell me what a "generation" is?

    They have a corrupt language.

  • grumblecakes
    grumblecakes

    get well soon blondie!!!!!!

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