Do you ever feel secure?

by flower 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Flower: You didn't say how long you have been out of the organization. You are correct, time is the healer. I think mosty of us went through a period of fear and doubt, that is, "what if" we are wrong in leaving. Doing what you did in recapturing what you know, you use your own conscience to revalidate your decision, and resecure your position.

    Over the years, my own angst has moved from any sense of doubt, and more to a sense of frustration that I ever joined and wasted my time with the JWs ... and it has been due to working it out on these x-JW forums that healing has been accelerated.

    Their basic 7 sins alone help me to never doubt my decision:

    1 WTS are proven false prophets
    2. WTS has policies that shield criminals, e.g. molesters
    3. WTS has misrepresented the blood issue
    4. WTS has used double standards causing thousands in Malawi to die
    5. WTS does not follow Christian principles of love ahead of policy
    6. WTS places itself in the chain of salvation where they don't belong
    7. WTS misrepresents its history to hide the past

    There are more, but these are enough to squash any little doubts that might surface. And that has not happened to me in a long time ... so time will heal ... and one day you will look back and not remember when you had your last doubt.

    Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live - or demand others to live - by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible. The Watchtower, 4-15-02, pg 22, pp 15

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    Flower, no one can or should think for you or manipulate you into deciding things one way or the other. We are all responsible for ourselves and have to make up our own minds as to matters.

    At one point, I was convinced the JWs were the true relgion, faults and all. Failed prophecies mean little to me as most every religion has had them. Even some of the flip flops don't bother me much as well as the different theology from other religions. I even agree with a lot of the JW theology, still.

    But, something had to convince me they are not the true religion and it absolutely did. Below I'll try to share what some of my reasons are;

    1. John 13: 34 I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”

    (Luke 10:27) In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,’ and, ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”

    Jesus spoke often of love as being the sign of the true disciple. Yet, is it loving to cast out people for simple disagreements and then cut them off from their families, livliehoods and friends? Is it loving to gleefully look forward to the destruction of more than 99% of the world population who are not following the Watchtower doctrine? Is it loving to coerce parents into letting their minor children die agonizing deaths when a simple transfusion would save their lives?

    2. Proverbs 6:16 There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: 17 lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, 18 a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, 19 a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.

    Amongst the items mentioned above, is God hates a liar. Is the WT being honest with the followers? No, they are not. They try to squirm out of any scandal they are found in.

    Another is "false witness." How many of us have been sought out by power hungry elders that have it in for us for some personal reason? For me, it was an elder that I kicked out of my house for a lousy attitude towards me. Becuase I kicked him out, he convened a JC accusing me of "being prone to wrath." It went nowhere as I refused to attend and threatened legal action if they proceeded as they were in violation of their own elders manual. A year later, I DA'd, anyway.

    Since then, dubs will stop by the house to see my wife or her monsters, but will totally snub me, inside my own house. Of course, they have no problem utilizing my personal possessions or partaking of my hospitality or food and drink, while here. That is total hypocrisy, in my estimation.

    3.1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

    Jesus is the sole and only mediator between man and God, not the Watchtower. They have set themselves up as some sort of mediator between mand and Jesus and God. As you know, they do teach that no one can attain salvation except by being in line with them, or as they say, aligned with God's true channel of communication. The Bible tells me to place my trust and faith in God and His Son, Jesus Christ. Nowhere does it say to place my faith and my life in the hands of the Watchtower.

    These are but a couple of the reasons I fled the Watchtower and will never return. But, you have to follow your own heart and live life as you think appropriate. If you are worried that the JWs are the only ones teaching the theology they do, they are not. The Bible Students are still quite active, as are other groups. And, they don't try to maintain such total control over your life.

    I wish the very best in your life and your search. God loves you no matter what. If you email me, I can supply you with a couple links of groups that that teach similar as the JWs, but don't try to run your life for you or restrict you.

    If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

  • flower
    flower

    Thanks to all of you for your responses.

    Hmmm..no Devil eh? Now thats an amazing concept that I am almost embarrased to admit I have never even considered. Interesting..possible..probable. That would answer a lot of the questions I've always had about the whole situation between the Devil and God. I never could understand the whole theory that God was allowing Satan to rule the earth all this time just to put to rest the issue of 'universal sovriegnty' as they always said. Hmm.

    Anyway, thanks for bringing out things that I needed reminding of. Dakota, Seven, Amazing..I definately needed to hear some of your points thanks.

    Nathan, Carmel, Lilacs, Undecided, rf, IsP, 144, aguest, Aunty, anyone I forgot..thanks. I am so glad to be able to say how I feel no matter how crazy it sounds and not be treated abusively. Elsewhere, thanks..but I just dont understand the application or appropriateness of what you said. I'm not sure what the point you were trying to make was.

    flower

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Just wanted to say that you're not alone, flower, and that this thread is great-sending this to my father.

    ashi

  • happytobefree
    happytobefree

    Flower,

    I once thought just as you. Mainly because my father keep saying this to me, Do you want you children to be destroyed, because you choose not to worship Jehovah? I use to think long and hard about this. And my conclusion is- If God (I'm a agnostic)really love me, he wants me happy. And going to the KH and practicing the JW faith sure has not brought me ANY HAPPINESS.

    And being that I believe there is no way possible that there is any hell or tormenting of any kind. So my conclusion is, if I am wrong - then I will just die and not exist anymore. But while I'm living - I will be happy and content by practicing my belief of love.

  • happytobefree
    happytobefree

    Flower,

    I once thought just as you. Mainly because my father keep saying this to me, Do you want you children to be destroyed, because you choose not to worship Jehovah? I use to think long and hard about this. And my conclusion is- If God (I'm a agnostic)really love me, he wants me happy. And going to the KH and practicing the JW faith sure has not brought me ANY HAPPINESS.

    And being that I believe there is no way possible that there is any hell or tormenting of any kind. So my conclusion is, if I am wrong - then I will just die and not exist anymore. But while I'm living - I will be happy and content by practicing my belief of love.

  • terafera
    terafera

    Great posts everyone!

    Flower, I too have feelings like you. Alot. But then I remind myself of the things people have said here. In the end, I have to ask myself, "Am I happier now or was I happier then?' I can say, without a doubt, I am happier now. And not because of anything material or selfish. I am sincerely a kinder, nicer, more loving person now than I was as a JW. That speaks volumes for me.

    All my love to you!

  • flower
    flower

    Thanks Happy, Ashi. Tera, yea I have said that to myself and I know that I am so much happier now. Then little thoughts creep in that wonder 'but why was I unhappy before' it must have been because of me. I guess I know thats not true but it pops in anyway.

    I know that the organization is a twisted, evil, cultlike group led by men, but I may still need reminding occasionally when my brain malfunctions..lol

    thanks

    flower

  • seven006
    seven006

    Flower,

    I am sure that there are a lot of concepts about god and religion you have not yet contemplated. You have spent your whole life living in a controlled society and unconsciously accepting what they told you to be the absolute truth about life. That is not your fault, society thrives on freedom of religious thought except when it comes to children. They are forced to accept and live with the religion their parents have forced upon them.

    If you would like to get just a piece of the big picture start reading about some of the earliest philosophers and see how they began the concept of breaking from religious control over society. I suggest reading bits of the three biggies Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.

    You will begin to see where there were men who broke out of the pressure of religiously ruled society and began to introduce man using his own intelligence and not just following the crowd and believing what ever the popular religious thought of the day was.

    I personally do not care whether you stay of the Christian thought or not. My main concern is that you gain the freedom to explore other concepts and then settle on one that makes you happy and gives you the freedom to accept your own thinking. If you want to continue to believe in god but take out religious influences I would like to suggest another book that will help you examine that concept. It is "Conversations With God" by Neil Donald Walsh. This book is not liked at all by mainstream Christians because it blows out their theory of the devil, suffering for salvation, Hell, as well as most of the controlling dogma that benefits organized religion. This book gave me a lot of good laughs and really made me think about their actually being a god again. I found this book to be quite an eye opener in looking at yet another concept of what might be possible.

    Take care,

    Dave

  • flower
    flower

    Hey, thats right, I can read wordly philosophers now...cool. I'll get on that right away Dave, seriously. Thats an excellent idea. Man,I gotta get to college, I want to study stuff! lol..sigh.

    Whew, this is so wierd ya know? Youre right, even though I am out and know that they are a 'false' prophet and everything else they are, I havent realized till now that I am holding on so tightly to the concepts about God and Christianity that they taught me. Its like the only thing that feels right because for so long it was the only truth and every other religion from buddists to wiccans and everything in between was just way out there. those people were just misled and wierd and i pitied those people for believing in such ridiculous concepts.

    I have definately improved on not judging people and accepting that everyone is entitled to believe what they want and do whatever gives them satisfaction. But at the same time I dont think I have changed at all when it comes to 'accepting' that any of their beliefs may actually be more accurate than mine..or the one implanted in my brain anyway. I havent even 'considered' or 'thought' to look at any other concept...damn aint that just like a dub? I mean why would you need to look at other information when you KNOW that it is false?

    Definately need to be free of this crap in my head. I need a brain transplant man.

    Anyway I'm definately gonna get that book too. Sounds interesting, I think I've heard of it.

    Thank you so much. You're the best.

    flower

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