In Jehovah's Witnesses- Elders Have Rights- other JW's Don't- 10/15 WT

by flipper 60 Replies latest jw friends

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  ÁrbolesdeArabia

  Elder's are under the same pressure-cooker, elders are not to call their local traveling O on his malarky and sisters can't say "bull puckey" either, it's "trickle-down religion", the pent-up anger and rage and frustration are showered upon the lower men on the totom pole.

  I've seen my share of bullies come and go, causing friends to throw their book bags into the trash and never return to meetings. The Watchtower can keep telling themselves it's ok to keep holding the avereage dub down, eventually their going to pop and take a few people with them out the door.

  Flipper you witnessed this during your tour de organization, the WTS is having trouble keeping their sheep muzzled. The time for them to answer for their heavy-handed tactics is on the way out the door. I would enjoy seeing their "road map of continuity" for the hell of it. ty flipper for pointing this out!
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  yadda yadda 2

  Since they first introduced the elder arrangement theyve perennially published this article more or less
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  ÁrbolesdeArabia

  Constant reminders to evoke the condition response "Pavlov's dog", "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil".

  The Watchtower tried this strategy with child-abuse (keep quite, don't rock the boat) and look where that lead them. Depression was ignored or denied from the 1940s to 1990s and even now, Watchtower and Awake have down played "depression", "bi-polar disorders" with insulting, weird quick fixes and quackery prescriptions of (field service for schizo's) to the detriment of their own sheep!

  The goal of the WTS is to keep the same amount coming in as are heading out the doors. The growth of publishers means nothing when you look at the revenue shortfall from donations. Something in the heart of the dub is not willing to sacrifice their hard earned funds, that might be fixed with a "tithe program", their badgering for money is not working.
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  hoser

  Good morning Flipper!

  I had read this when the WT came out but never paid much attention before this thread.

  Obviously to write this article some aren't respecting the jehovahs witness clergy class anymore. I have met a few that openly associate with df'd kids and live their own lives.

  So apparently brazen conduct is alive and well!

  In the past few years it has become increasingly evident that there are 2 sets of rules. Clergy(elders) can watch porn, have past hidden sins forgiven

  all without a jc or any kind of sanction. All the while the r&f get the screws tightened on them.

  hoser
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  Vidiot

  Kojack57 - "Good lord, these pricks are getting more and more brazen every time they write an article."

  Interesting choice of words. You use "brazen" on purpose (as in "Brazen Conduct"), or was it coincidental?

  Not being a smartass (this time, anyway), just honestly curious...
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  Reopened Mind

  Flipper,

  It is so easy for us to see the malarky of this article now that we are out. Yet when we were in this washed over us like a tidal wave.

  bennyk and OODAD were spot on when they showed the doctor-patient relationship is nothing like the elder-publisher relationship. For one thing doctors have had years of training in their field; most elders don't have more than a high school education (I've known a few with less). When I read your thread to my husband TotallyADD, who had been an elder for 25 years, his reaction was, "Another illustration that doesn't apply!" As an aside, my husband has told me that one of the elder's schools he attended was totally about how to use the Concordance to find information in the publications, and another school spent most of their time on the variations of Porneia. Yes, they're really qualified to give counsel! I know TotallyADD felt badly many times that he wasn't able to help those who came to him. In his later years as an elder he began advising some to seek help through AA or psychological counseling.

  Not "jeopardizing the peace of the congregation" is more important to the GB than honestly letting them know what is happening in their midst.

  Yes, only the elders have the "right" to make judgments that affect our lives.

  Only the elders have the "right" to know if a pedophile is in the congregation.

  Only the elders have the "right" to break up families by disfellowshipping.

  Only the elders have the "right" to talk to disfellowshipped ones.

  Only the elders have the "right" to decide what is appropriate apparel in their congregation. (This varies from congregation to congregation.)

  Truly this SCREAMS MIND CONTROL!!!

  I am so thankful we are no longer a part of the cult.

  Reopened Mind
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  Vidiot

  Authoritarian regimes are not the least bit concerned with an individual's "rights".

  They never have been, and they never will.
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  LongHairGal

  Flipper:

  I haven't picked up a piece of litter-ature in years and can't understand how you have the stomach to read any of the religion's propaganda.

  Naturally, the first thing they want to do is chip away at people's self-esteem and get people to be willing participants in their own victimization. That is the only way to explain the logic of the things they say. Of course, they come in the guise of shepherds who are looking out for your salvation. You should welcome these uneducated men tampering in people's lives.

  Stand up for your rights? Of course not. You should abdicate your rights and check your brain at the door and allow yourself to be used, abused, defrauded and destroyed. In effect, you should become a masochist who delights in accepting pain inflicted by would-be despots.

  The whole thing is an insult to anybody's intelligence.
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  DATA-DOG

  So the Apostle Paul, who according to the latest nu-lite was not a GB member was acting in a worldly way everytime he insisted he had rights. He was really out of line when he counseled those whom he felt were violating scriptural teachings, especially when he dared to challenge Peter regarding his treatment of gentiles. Paul should haved waited on Jehovah. Also the great Heroine of the Jewish people, Esther was also behaving in a disrespectful manner toward Jehovah. After all, Jehovah promised that his people would not be exterminated. Why did Esther not have faith in God's promises and wait on Jehovah in a spirit of mildness? The attitudes of Paul and Esther had no place in Jehovah's arrangement.
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  rocketman

  Having served as an elder for a decade, I can honestly report that I was no "doctor", not by any stretch of the imagination. I was a guy with a full-time job who found enough time to do all the usual jw-related activities. I had little or no ability to offer anything resembling what a qualified physician or psychiatrist could.