The same month I lost my faith in God was when I was appointed an elder

by Most Noble 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “Here I am today on the largest apostate website on earth, after a 20minutes program part at the Special assembly day convention.”

    I wouldn’t term this an “apostate website.” Nevertheless, know brother that you’re not the only one walking in the shoes you walk. Not by a long shot!

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    This poster is under strong suspicion as being a fraud, someone who is probably just getting a kick out of winding us apostates up.

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    Data-Dog, you have to wait for him to be able to spend some time creating the outline that he would be giving during his fictional talk at the SAD...

    It really bugs me when things like this are lied about. It takes away from the trustworthiness of others that are on this site and will only tell the truth. I appreciate it when the truth is told whether good or bad, for or against the Watchtower. Why not be honest about everything? When people lie, it gives the JWs some ammo when they say "Everyone that leaves the organization only lies..."

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Here, posted on another thread, is a perfect example of what we are dealing with:

    I use to entertain the C.O and his wife to get program parts at the convention, and the strategy has been very effective.

    Need anything more be said?

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “This poster is under strong suspicion as being a fraud, someone who is probably just getting a kick out of winding us apostates up.”

    Do you mind me asking what the point is of that condescending remark? Folks around here are not so stupid they need help deciding whether a participant is genuinely engaging readers.

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “Need anything more be said?”

    I think something more deserves to be asked:

    - What is unusual about a participant here asserting they entertained COs to get program parts at the convention and that the strategy was effective?

    What is your point, James?

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • Iamallcool
    Iamallcool

    read all of his posts/topics, he is a fraud, for sure.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “read all of his posts/topics, he is a fraud, for sure.”

    I certainly will not waste my time doing any such thing as reading all the posts of a given poster!

    If you have evidence to support the notion you suggest then point me to it and be done with it!

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    I was going to go back through his posts and post why I think he's making things up, but then I remembered... I don't care. Fact is, he's said too many things that show he isnt who he says he is. The stories have either been made up or greatly inflated. If you read through his posts, the doctrines of JWs are wrong and the stories are too fantastic. There are too many things that don't add up.

    But Marvin, why should someone else go back through his posts to prove to YOU why he's a fraud? If you don't believe it, then you don't have to. If you suspect that we are being unfair here, why don't YOU go back through his posts and tell us why you don't think he's making his stories up?

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “I was going to go back through his posts and post why I think he's making things up, but then I remembered... I don't care. Fact is, he's said too many things that show he isnt who he says he is. The stories have either been made up or greatly inflated. If you read through his posts, the doctrines of JWs are wrong and the stories are too fantastic. There are too many things that don't add up.”

    I read several of his entries and didn’t see anything particularly suggestive that he’s anything other than he portrays. But since you bring things up as you do:

    1. Which doctrine has he presented less than accurate?

    2. And, what person do you know that has never inflated a story at some point in their life?

    “But Marvin, why should someone else go back through his posts to prove to YOU why he's a fraud? If you don't believe it, then you don't have to. If you suspect that we are being unfair here, why don't YOU go back through his posts and tell us why you don't think he's making his stories up?”

    Christ Alone,

    I don’t care a rat’s patootie whether an accuser proves his or her claim. Whether a stone-thrower wants to leave themselves looking like a fool is their business. I’m only asking for those who make assertions to carry the burden of making those assertions by proving it.

    Otherwise, as a registered participant here I ask questions whenever and wherever I choose based solely on my own prerogative within forum guidelines. My preference would be for participants here to keep stupid condescension to themselves unless they can prove what they are saying is true. But that’s just me. Apparently you must feel otherwise.

    Finally, and since you asked, it is not up to me to disprove what someone says unless I just feel like doing it. The commonly understood burden of proof would have those making assertion prove them true and not their listeners prove those assertions false. But by the looks of things, probably you don’t understand burden of proof as understood commonly, or formally for that matter.

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

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