Why dont xians take oaths like Abraham and Jacob ?

by mP 15 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  mP

  Hey if its good enough for someone who speaks to God then it should be good enuff for everybody else.

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/genesis/24

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  Now Abraham was old, advanced in years; and Jehovah had blessed Abraham in everything.2Hence Abraham said to his servant, the oldest one of his household, who was managing all he had: “Put your hand, please, under my thigh,3as I must have you swear by Jehovah, the God of the heavens and the God of the earth, that you will not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the Ca'naan?ites in among whom I am dwelling,4but you will go to my country and to my relatives, and you will certainly take a wife for my son, for Isaac.”

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  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/genesis/47

  And Jacob lived on in the land of Egypt for seventeen years, so that Jacob’s days, the years of his life, came to be a hundred and forty-seven years.

  29Gradually the days approached for Israel to die. So he called his son Joseph and said to him: “If, now, I have found favor in your eyes, place your hand, please, under my thigh, and you must exercise loving-kindness and trustworthiness toward me. (Please, do not bury me in Egypt.)

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  In fact the word Testament which implies an oath comes from the ritual we have observed in the above scriptures of taking an oath by grabbing some testicles.

  http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/testament

  Etymology

  From Middle English , from Old French , from Latin testamentum ( “ the publication of a will, a will, testament, in Late Latin one of the divisions of the Bible ” ) , from testari ( “ to be a witness, testify, attest, make a will ” ) , from testis ( “ one who attests, a witness ” ) .

  http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/testis

  Etymology

  From older terstis, probably reformed from tristis, ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *trityo-sth2s "a third party standing" after the two parties to a contract or dispute. Cf. Oscan trstus ( “ witnesses ” , nominative plural ) [1] .

  http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/testicle

  Etymology

  Latin testiculum, testicle, diminutive of testis, witness + diminutive suffix -ulum

  [edit] Noun

  THe ancient jews like other pagans were obsessed with penises, we can see it everywhere in their religion and rituals.
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  tec

  "Let your yes be your yes, and your no, no." - Christ.

  A christian follows Christ.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  mP

  Tec:

  But Christ said that Moses law was perfrect and owuld last forever.

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/matthew/5

  Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to ? YOU ? that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place
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  tec

  THE law... and Moses law (and how it was transcribed, and translated due to their misunderstanding/misapplication)... are not always the same thing.

  It is a simple answer, mP. Christ said not to do it, and he instructed us what to do instead. So someone who follows HIM, listens to what HE says to do. Simple.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  I know that you like quotes, so:

  Matthew 5:33-37

  Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of hte Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your Yes be Yes, and your No, No; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  WTWizard

  If you take an oath that turns out to be bad for yourself and society, it should be broken. Simple as that.

  People can get tricked, or forced, into taking bad oaths. This happens on a national level, in the form of getting into perennial debt to the Rothschilds. Keeping that oath leads to mass human enslavement. Obviously, that is one oath that should be broken and the people tricked or forced to agree to paying that debt should welsh on it to prevent this bad outcome (and to punish the Rothschilds for forcing nations into debt). Likewise, when we as individuals get into an oath that enables others to enslave us (like a dedication to Jehovah), we should welsh on it to punish those who otherwise will abuse us and lead us into slavery.

  The alternative would be to simply tolerate abuse and slavery, as the LIE-ble indicates. The Christian scriptures in the LIE-ble all point to accepting slavery, not breaking bad vows no matter what, and ultimately allows such scum as the Rothschilds to enslave us all. Is it worth welshing on a bad vow or oath to prevent our enslavement, whether on a personal or national level?
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  mP

  TEC

  THE law... and Moses law (and how it was transcribed, and translated due to their misunderstanding/misapplication)... are not always the same thing.

  It is a simple answer, mP. Christ said not to do it, and he instructed us what to do instead. So someone who follows HIM, listens to what HE says to do. Simple.

  Peace,

  tammy

  mP:

  So if the law of Moses has been corrupted why didnt Jesus set the record straight so people would not continue to follow the corrupted form ? That argument does not make sense. Can you please provide a scripture where Jesus says those very words ? How exactly does one explain Mat 5:17 if Jesus did make an alternative statement ?
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  mP

  TEC:

  I know that you like quotes, so:

  Matthew 5:33-37

  Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of hte Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your Yes be Yes, and your No, No; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

  Peace,

  tammy

  MP:

  Given that taking an oath in bible times required "balls", as demonstrated by scriptures about Jacob and Abraham and their testicles, how can a women make an oath ? The bible says its unlawful for a women to touch another man, in fact DEU requires her to lose her hand ? So technically its impossible or unlawful for a women to paarticipate in the testament of God in the BIble.

  These are not my views, im just pointing out how stupid the Bible is. Why a women would believe such a book which has such abstract hatred towards them is beyond me.
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  tec

  So if the law of Moses has been corrupted why didnt Jesus set the record straight so people would not continue to follow the corrupted form ? That argument does not make sense. Can you please provide a scripture where Jesus says those very words ? How exactly does

  one explain Mat 5:17 if Jesus did make an alternative statement ?

  Sometimes, mP, you have to think and make a right judgment for yourself.

  Christ did state that the law on divorce, from MOSES, was not the truth. He corrected the law that Moses gave to tell people the truth of the matter. Same with eye for eye. Same with taking oaths. He spoke of what was once said... and then he corrected that to the truth.

  So read a little further, Matt 5:31-37, and compare the bit about divorce with Mark 10:2-12; and Matthew 19:3-9.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  NeverKnew

  Could someone tell me if this thread is about:

  a. the validity/obsolescence of the Covenant of Law, or

  b. whether men should be feeling each other up to solidify oaths, or

  c. both or neither of the above.