How is creationism DISPROVED? (page 25)

EntirelyPossible

Remember, Fink, that's just Sab using his awesome powers of emotional manipulation to destroy you.

Or he's just making stuff up again.

Finkelstein

Remember, Fink, that's just Sab using his awesome powers of emotional manipulation to destroy you.

I know EP, I think the only thing Sab has destroyed on this thread is his own credibility

I just thought a little insightful background information was worthy for yourself and others.

When I see people unable to logically rationalize things with a semblance of intellectual honesty,

I subconsciously and perhaps instinctively think to myself is this person nuts ?

sabastious

Sab - what would it mean to you to be wrong and do you know what would invalidate your theories?

My answer is that if order can be proven with facts to be an illusion then I will cease belief in my God. Because my God IS Order and existed before and during the Big Bang. Truth is the biggest evidence for order, but what is truth? Because he used such a question against Christ I believe that Pontius Pilate was an ancient materialist.

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter or energy; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance, and reality is identical with the actually occurring states of energy and matter.

John 18 shows Christ declaring his purpose on earth to testify the truth. The Greek word for "truth" being used is: alétheia:

truth, but not merely truth as spoken; truth of idea, reality, sincerity, truth in the moral sphere, divine truth revealed to man, straightforwardness.

Upon hearing this word Pilate replies with the statement, "What is truth [alétheia]?" If you notice in the account he doesn't really give Christ an option to reply, that may be why the NIV renders his statement as a retort. Interestingly it's just the retort that a materialist would make and then use as an argument to justify an action. To Pilate, Christ was not committing a crime, he was merely enacting his God-given free speech. He was telling people that he was testifying to the truth, but the things he was saying were exposing the lies of others. Pilate was smart and educated and he realized what was happening, however the politics of the situation ultimately made his choice for him. Which ended in the prophecy being fulfilled and Christ dying on the cross.

-Sab

sabastious

OK I recant bringing it up ...... my bad ...... carry on !
I just thought a little insightful background information was worthy for yourself and others.

It doesn't look like you can drop it, telling.

-Sab

sabastious

Remember, Fink, that's just Sab using his awesome powers of emotional manipulation to destroy you.

It's not my fault I became adept while battling with dozens of emotionally unstable family members all growing up. We were all miserable little kids trying to get every little ounce of enjoyment out of our miserable lives (they will all say they were happy btw, or that it was "Satan's world"). Even if that meant at the cost of the feelings of other people. Some tried to be nice, others not so much and everybody played good and bad cop. All I have to do is turn that part of me back on and you won't recognize me. If you keep testing me you might see it, but I have a good handle on it now, but it's taken some time to smooth out. Weed helped. Keep testing.

-Sab

EntirelyPossible

I am so disappointed, Sab. You talked all tough, I expected to see the beast let loose for a feeding. Instead I get a weed smoking internet tough guy with no follow through.

sabastious

I am so disappointed, Sab. You talked all tough, I expected to see the beast let loose for a feeding. Instead I get a weed smoking internet tough guy with no follow through.

The follow through is based on written terms. Imo, you don't seem to grasp the rules of engagement. That's probably why you hide behind the image of a fake soldier. Fake ethnicity to boot, almost poetic.

-Sab

EntirelyPossible

Oh, you're getting a little snippy. Rule of engagement? You just said you loved me earlier, are you asking me to be engaged to you? What's your issue with black soldiers?

sabastious

Oh, you're getting a little snippy. Rule of engagement? You just said you loved me earlier, are you asking me to be engaged to you? What's your issue with black soldiers?

My issue isn't with black soldiers or even with actors thinking they are black soliders when they are really white actors (or black men acting like large black women for that matter). My issue is with your purposeful emotional foul play that you portray on this forum on a consistant basis. When you perpetrate you shouldn't argue with the reaction you get from the ones perpetrated against. You don't understand the rules of engagement, at all. And I really don't care if you think you are perfect and don't perpetrate, I hold the opposite opinion and I use our conversations as evidence.

And speaking of issues, the topic at hand is whether or not an intelligence present before and during the Big Bang is disprovable. The answer still is no, even though many seem to believe otherwise. This is their right to believe, but to call it anything more is a stretch of logic.

-Sab

Finkelstein

I invite Sab, to listen to this this person, you may have heard of him ( A C Grayling ) give a speech about religious philosophy and its effects on mankind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=pXP05Nsr6wg

How is creationism DISPROVED?

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