by AwSnap 40 Replies latest watchtower bible
The love that they show is superficial.
As long as you're a JW, they're happy to give you a meal, even give you a place to stay overnight.
But it's CONDITIONAL - are you "in good standing"? Can your elders recommend you? Have you engaged in any immorality or dabbled in "the world" that might contaminate you spiritually?
Now, miss some meetings, be known to frequent bars or date an unbeliever.
That "love" disappears pretty quickly.
Tell the JW that choice of religion in a serious matter. Tell him you have read on the internet accusations that the JW's are a high control group. Tell him you certainly don't believe everything you read on the net, however since it is such a crucial matter to your familys sprituality you wonder if he might come back another night (after giving you some time to research) and at least answer any 10 questions you might have about his group. If he has the truth he should not be worried about questions. If he does not or if it is a cult that won't let him think for himself it will be a problem. Tell your husband to make the guy ask the questions.
I don't buy a car without looking to consumer reports to see the reliablity records. I have interviewed every teacher that my daughter has ever used. I interviewed (and dismissed) potential doctors for my daughter. I read reviews of books before I buy on Amazon.com. There is no way I would ever talk to anyone about religion again without knowing more about what they believe then they do before the conversation ever started. The JW's will NOT want someone who actually follows the example of the Boreans.
The real problem is that many many witnesses are actually truly very nice people. The guy at your house right now may be a nice person. He may be actually living his life as a Christian. But doctrine does matter. Truth matters. The truth of the matter is that the ORG is like a dead fish, it stinks from the head. I really don't have a problem with most of the witnesses I know, they are nice people. If the GB would allow them to contribute to the Salvation Army, or the Red Cross they would do it in a second. They would love to help elderly people, to help in any kind of volunteer work (ie. soup kitchens, shelters, habitat for humanity) but they are not allowed. Their form of "giving" is going door to door. It really is too bad. It is sad. It is maddening.
I just read "Broken Promises" post above. It is right on 100%
Regarding conditional vs. unconditional love, cite Luke 6:32-36:
For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same. If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit [is] that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount.v But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as [also] your Father is merciful.
Geeeezus! Potheads! Diabetics! It doesn't matter, ANY group will do!
Thank you for all the responses. At this point, I'd consider myself an ex-ex-jw. So I don't even think about that stuff most of the time. It was very surprising that this conversation happened this evening. It happened by a close family member whose a diehard jw, but he's also very 'cool' with the fact that *I* (not dh) celebrates Xmas and other holidays. He even said he's checked out "apostate" (muwahahaha) websites and such. But the whole 'jw's show universal love' and 'jws are the only religion that dont go to war' are the things that keep him in the faith. Well, and the resurrection.
There were sooooo many things that were said, but I just didn't even expect the conversation to come up. We weren't prepared. But the conversation WILL continue. Thanks for the input.
He's saying you cannot find that with any other group.
He lied about that. He made it up because he is not personally aware of every group that exists in the world, and what they believe and practice. The honest thing he could say, if he was not a corrupt liar, is that he is not aware of any other group that has universal acceptance of other members.
Fact is, if you are a ham radio operator you will find acceptance in any other country and community that you travel to. They will welcome you with hospitality, and assistance at setting up to do your ham radio hobby. Many ham radio expeditions rely on this universal fraternity to accomplish their goals, though it is often experienced by individuals. Plus, they don't shun you if you get out of the hobby.
I have heard that freemasons are pretty tight this way, but I am not one so have not experienced it.
He`s an ignoramus , full stop.
smiddy
He keeps on bringing up that only jw's have universal love
What other religious organization has this person been involved with to say that ?
Of course there are other religions that have expressed love and concern of other members.
What you have to realize is that JWS come to your door to recruit and distribute the WTS. literature
and they are judged as JWS upon how well they do this.
Being a JW for 20 years, I can truthfully say they do not have universal love inside their congregations and outside,
they do have a set self promoting marketing strategy though.
Hi there, Aw Snap!!
Sorry to hear that you and your husband were "ambushed" by this person...
Come to think of it, the actions of the JW in "ambushing" you and your husband - that is the exact opposite behavior from showing "universal love"...
Zid
