Are the Adventists looking to attract downtrodden JW's?

by donny 34 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  ÁrbolesdeArabia

  I know Walter Martin had a change of heart when he was dealing with a grave illness. Walter Martin held a previous view that the S.D.A. were a cult or not part of the true Christian Churches in the Fundamental Church realm.

  After receiving loving kindness, great treatment from a S.D.A. hospital and physical therapy group of their church, he changed his mind to accept that S.D.A.s might be different but they were no longer a cult. He actually praised them for being wonderful and "Christ-like", he was impressed with the overall experience and how they were great with helping him during the healing process.

  Who says you can't win hearts over with love and kindness?
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  barry

  Walter Martin wrote a book in the 1950s called the 'Truth about SDAs ' . The SDA church also released a book at the same time called 'Questions on doctrine' and it was structured with Walter martin asking questions to the SDA church and the church responding with their answers to doctrinal positions because there was much confusion as to the statis of the SDAs as to if they should be classified as a cult or not. Walter Martin at that time classified SDAs as a christian church but with some hetrodox positions such as soul sleep, the role of Ellen g White and the investigative judgement . Barry
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  barry

  I should also mention SDAs that follow what is termed the health message live approximately 10 years longer than the average. The SDAs that follow the ordinary western diet have no advantage over the rest of the population. Barry
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  ÁrbolesdeArabia

  Hi barry, Walter Martin held the view they were cults before his period of rest in a SDA hospital (Psyche was the rumors) Currently Ravvi Zaccarias who was a co-author or updated author with "Kingdom of the Cults" hold the view "SAD are a cult religion. S.A.D. jumped at the chance to have Walter Martin (It's in debate whether Walter's Doctorates are Kosher) do an about face in 1965 that considered them Christian. To date, there are many members of Fundamental Christianity who consider them a cult.

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  The Seventh-Day Adventists are an anomaly. Evangelical Christians have never been comfortable with them, but they have been unable to decide whether the SDA is a legitimate expression of Christianity or whether it is a cult, like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.

  The majority view among contemporary cult-watchers is that it is a cult. But the most authoritative cult expert in modern Christian history, Dr. Walter Martin (1928-1989), decided in 1965 that "it is perfectly possible to be a Seventh-Day Adventist and be a true follower of Jesus Christ, despite heterodox concepts." 1 This conclusion caused a storm of controversy because Dr. Martin had earlier labeled the SDA a cult in his book published in 1955 called The Rise of the Cults. 2

  Yet, shortly before he died, Dr. Martin expressed conflicted second thoughts in a television interview:

  "I fear that if they continue to progress at this rate, then the classification of a cult can't possibly miss being reapplied to Seventh-Day Adventists because once you have an interpreter of Scripture, a final court of appeal that tells you what Scripture means - as soon as you judge Scripture by that, as soon as you have someone who has made doctrinal errors in the past, even on the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the atonement and on other things, and that person is raised to that position of authority, you have polarization around that person." 3

  If Christendom's foremost cult expert could not make up his mind about the status of the SDA, you can certainly understand why others have experienced equal difficulty. So, what about it? Does the SDA deserve the designation of a cult?

  http://lamblion.com/articles/artphpicles_cults14.

  This next link is not so kind to the SAD, in his writings Martin made a mistake, other apologist think Walter Martin had a nervous break-down and went to a S.A.D. convelence home, and was brain-washed (a rumor I heard in the 1980s) of Martin's straying from his Fundie allies. What is the real truth, and why Walter Martin created some type of alliance with the SDA has baffled apologist in the 1960s until now. Oh, how I love conspiracy theories dealing with religion. Peace Barry!

  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Seventh-Day%20Adventist/liars.htm
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  dropoffyourkeylee

  This post has has raised a number of interesting observations about the SDA, but the original post is based on an apparent misprint. As someone else has already noticed, the New World Translation in English does not read as is stated in the OP, and does not use the word 'Saturday' there in Acts 20:7. The newspaper ad referred to must be a misprint and is referring to another translation.
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  barry

  Gday ArbolesdeArabia,

  I just read one of your links about SDAs

  I found the link about SDAs also attacked Southern Baptists and called them Apostate and also Lutherans calling them Bible corrupters

  The teaching of annihalation of the wicked is also taught by about 20% of evangelicals and was spoken about at a mens day last weekend I attended run by the Anglican church here in Canberra.

  The Adventists are not united in doctrine and the investigative doctrine and sinless perfection is very controversial with much of the church the evangelicals not beleiving it in any way.

  The cultic doctrines are held by what I would call the Traditional Adventists and the quote from Walter Martin is referring to the use of Ellen White by these Traditionals. Barry
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  Violia

  I had a doctor who was a 7th day Adventist. He knew I was a witness and we had some interesting discussions. I was listening to him. B/c he was an elder (or whatever they are called) I often would talk to him instead of the jw elders . He was very helpful. He delivered a baby for me, and wouldn't you know it was on Saturday.
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  yknot

  I dunno.....

  I did notice today they were advertizing a prophecy series.
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  ÁrbolesdeArabia

  I found one thing odd, I know JWs would call on some S.A.D.s and have dialogue with open candor, until the Watchtower magazines were suppose to be exchanged with literature from their Church.

  This turned into a Cholo stand-off, as JWs don't want to accept anyone's literature since they have the absolute truth, while the S.A.D.s were willing to read the WTs, if the dubs read their literature so they could share competing ideas.

  The dubs are not very meek when it comes to understanding other people's points of view, unless they read what other's believe through the "eye of the Society's writers".

  JWs wan't people to talk to them about "What we believe, don't ask those nasty ex-jws, they won't give you the truth! JWs on the other hand are not willing to give that same courtesies to another religion, "we will get back to you after we read the 1950s Watchtower and learn what you believe."

  Dubs are as fearful of handling another person's religious tracts the way a Vampire fears going up in smoke at noon-day Sun!
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  designs

  Walter Martin calling anyone odd

  Did any of you ever hear his Radio show omygawd what a Nutjob.