Can YOU solve the following Paradox??

by Terry 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    How can man be condemned as weak, capricious and error-prone on the one hand and yet—be the sole transmitter of TRUTH and the arbiter of JUSTICE on the other?

    The OP’s view of man is in many ways inaccurate, in my view. Man has never been perfect in anything, but it doesn’t preclude the transmission of truth because, as he said, we are, by default, the sole transmitter. Do we reject all histories because they were written by man? And isn’t much of religion a form of history? We look at people like Moses, Elijah, Isaiah and we inspect their writings and what they did, and man can derive spiritual benefit from them. We look at Jesus and examine how the prophets in the Old Testament pointed the way to Christ. There may be errors in transmission, but if the hand of God is in it, it becomes of benefit to man.

    God, in times past, spoke to men through prophets and I personally believe in prophets today. One has to either determine whether 1) they’re lying; 2) they’re mistaken regarding their callings (as are the men making up the Governing Body); 3) they’re being deceived due to the foibles built in to the human psyche; and/or 4) the prophets are telling the truth in what they experience in visions, revelations, and so forth.

    When one looks at all the many ancient prophecies that came to pass, there does indeed seem to be a super intelligent source guiding them. Jesus said, “Search the scriptures, for they are they which testify of me.” If one reads Isaiah 53, written centuries before the coming of Jesus, it becomes very difficult to explain away. Jesus prophesied that the Jews would be destroyed and scattered, and they were. And the prophets before him also prophesied likewise. They also wrote that in the latter days that the Jews would be gathered from the nations of the Earth and restored to their ancestral homeland. The prophets also saw that Israel’s enemies would be their neighbors, and that they would rise up and seek the destruction of the Jews. But the Lord stated that he would be with the Jews and that he would fight their battles, which so far has come to pass (see Zechariah 12-14)

    Men are just as prone to screw up history, yet we don’t reject it because, many times, it’s all we have. People complain about Josephus and Suetonius, yet they’re still published and we’re still reading them. In the case of religious histories, though, they’ve been remarkably consistent in most cases. With the discoveries of new libraries and new accounts, we’re learning much more and in many cases we’ve had to change our views as we learn that the Hebrews weren’t always monotheists, and that the Christians believed things that we didn’t know about until very recently. (Not only did they believe that all men have spirits, but that man existed prior to coming to Earth. (See Jeremiah 1:5) This is something that is supported by many “near death” experiences as well, where people “die” and not only see people they knew in life, but people they knew before coming to Earth.)

    In short, man has an intellect, and as faulty as it can be, we’re naturally a record keeping animal. And we shouldn’t reject the histories of men because men are flawed and opinionated. In the religious area, some people can be so easily led to the point that a few men can exercise complete control over them. But as the intelligence of men varies, so does the quality of their religions. Christianity and the earlier Law of Moses are outstanding examples of compassionate philosophies, and the Mosaic Law required farmers to leave behind part of their crops for the poor and hungry. In fact, it prohibited the use of fences to keep the poor out and nets on top of their fig trees to keep the birds from eating the figs in the upper branches. It also required periodic forgiveness of debts and forbade the refusal of loans when debt forgiveness dates loomed. Additionally, the old eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth aspect was only the threat of such. In the vast majority of cases, people worked out reparations.

    The Jewish religions also were entrenched in the law of witnesses. Seventy elders of Israel saw God and dined in his presence. And Peter, James and John saw Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration, not to mention the healings of the sick and the raising of the dead. In addition, the apostles not only saw the risen Christ and felt the prints of the nails in his hands and feet, but spent 40 days being taught of him after his resurrection. I don’t know many people who feel that the gospels and the teachings of the ancient apostles and prophets were superficial and superstitious.

    But each person must decide for himself. That’s what makes this so much fun.

  • talesin
    talesin

    The whole ball-o-wax sounds like a semi-permanent state of being out-of-contact with reality.

    Zid, I agree! I feel something - I think it's what they call 'spirituality' -- it's when I'm in nature. It's blissful! I *do* feel out-of-contact with the reality of this sick, twisted society we live in. Maybe that's it - our lives are lived in such an un-natural fashion, that I feel out of place.

    Get to the woods, fling myself to the ground, and hug the Mother Earth ... yes I do. It's the same with the sea... I go there every week, and just ahhhhh... HOME.


    Do we reject all histories because they were written by man?

    Cold Steel, yes as a matter of fact I do! I know there are some facts in HIS - story .... but much of it is embellished and slanted. Mostly hogwash, as far as I'm concerned.

    xo

    tal

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Oh Terry ! you have excelled yourself this time, what a cracking good O.P !

    and I feel some Noo Lite from the GB will be needed to explain this, something along the lines of:

    "as the GB are not only anointed by Holy Spirit but are chosen by Jesus to be his FDS the evidence clearly shows that their "sins" have been wiped out, so when they are used as God's Channel you can be sure the pipes are squeaky clean ".

    They are the masters of producing Bull S**t , but it stinks as soon as they drop it.

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    Perhaps the problem is that an inner spiritual experience cannot be accurately relayed or reveal through words. Words are the lead piping.

    Only the person having the insight can truly understand and be transformed. Second and third-hand spiritual experiences have no value.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    It's not really a paradox, just a false premise.

  • poppers
    poppers

    I always liked this idea: "God's language is silence; everything else is a poor translation." Is it any wonder then that there is so much toxic nonsense coming from religions?

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    Is it any wonder then that there is so much toxic nonsense coming from religions?

    No matter what a person's belief system is, you can use it to control him him if you understand psychology. Whether he/she believes in god(s) or places all faith in science.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    ' No matter what a person's belief system is, you can use it to control him him if you understand psychology. Whether he/she believes in god(s) or places all faith in science.;

    Some buddhists encourage not having beliefs. Some of them don't have belief in god, for instance.

    S

  • panhandlegirl
    panhandlegirl

    We should just all drink wine and that would solve the problem. I once read about explorers (probably Spainish) who were exploring the coast of California. Those who drank the water, died, those who stuck to drinking wine, survived.

    As tec said, if you decide to drink the water, get it directly from the source, avoid the pipes. I trust science more than religion, but they don't have all the answers either; as brin said, science admits they are still learning.

    PHG

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    IF MAN IS FLAWED, TRICKY AND POLLUTED........WHY TRUST HIM AT ALL WITH ANY MESSEGE PURPORTED TO BE PURE AND TRUE???

    Rational thinking logic says we shouldn't

    Healthy skepticism is a beneficial value

    Religion will always be pure pollution

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