Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?

by AGuest 452 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Actually, you folks really have nothing to worry about as to me and cult-starting (peace!). When I first shared with my children that EVERYONE who wants to be in union with Christ should eat and drink (of Christ's flesh and blood)... and that some (exJWs) and I were getting together to share an meal and do so, they both said (and I believe they would say so again today):

    "Okay, Mom, that makes sense. But if we see anything even close to Kool-Aid... we out!"

    My children and husband are VERY balanced people. They'd have me committed before letting me start a cult... or mislead other people. They love me... but they ain't stupid. And they don't "play." Not even.

    So... calm yourselves... and put your pitchforks and torches back in your barns, dear townfolk.

    I really am a harmless witch... uh, ogre... wait, no, werewolf... that's not right, either... vampire... ph, wait, I know: believer...

    Peace. Truly.

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    It's like when Shelby is around she draws the scientists out of the woodwork for study and ridicule.

    Well, I dunno know if I'd call them "scientists", dear Sab (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)...

    They see her as a living, breathing specimen of what has brought on this whole religious mess.

    Yep. All my fault.

    She simply both facinates and disgusts these people.

    Actually, dear one, I think I fascinate more than disgust. I think the "disgust" is just a front to hide the fascination. I say that from experience: it's EXACTLY like the boys who used to harass me at school... and the elders who used to harass me at the KHs. The ones who tried the hardest to get my attention... but I paid the least attention... to were the most "disgusted.".

    Some stay to laugh, some for a long while, others stay to further research. I would say that she should just get used to them. They have posed no threat in the past, so why would they in the future?

    Oh, I am used to them, dear one. What these don't get, apparently, is that others like them have come... and gone... or become my good friends. They don't get that I can be as tenacious... and assertive... as they can; indeed, more so, if history is a witness. They think they're the first group of usual suspects; they don't understand that they're not even close to the first. And they're no different than the ones that have come before them. Some will go back and read my old threads... then comment "she's still saying the same thing she did more than 10 years ago!"... and STILL not get that. And for some reason, they think I "started" here. They disregard the years I spent elsewhere, long, long before even coming here.

    I do wonder, Shelby, are you careful as to whom you inform of your, I don't know what to call it, gift?

    I am, dear one. I don't tell anyone... unless the opportunity raises itself. Usually, that's by means of a discussion board like this... where people are ASKING questions as to things spiritual... or they PM, email, write, call, or ask me straight out (because of something they may have read or heard from me). Do I go around waving a flag saying, "Hey, I'm of the Body of Christ!", etc.? Of course not. Not even here. That, what, 5-10 sundry folks don't "like" me... or my truth... means... what? Many more than that either do like it... or have no problem with it.

    I don't have a goal of being popular, dear one. To the contrary, I am SURE there are folks who wish I would interact with them MORE. Unfortunately, the accusations of starting a cult or trying to be others' "leader"... or being false, lying, a charlatan, etc., prevents me from doing that. For THEIR sake, not mine. Because you can well see what happens when someone agrees with what I share... let alone befriends me. And if they do BOTH?? Oh, Lordy!! Armageddon pales in comparison to the eventually I apparently have in store for such dear folks.

    I understand how some feel... mmmmm... discomfort... at the interchange between me and some here. I have learned that that discomfort is sometimes the result of "baggage" from the WTBTS and/or other "authoritative" entities who never allowed, let alone taught, their adherents to stand up against THEM. But some, like the WTBTS, did teach some of us how to "reason" with our opposers. And I don't mean using rote, pre-prepared answers from a book they published. I mean when they taught me what Christ said... and then I subsequently learned from HIM... to NOT prepare ahead of time what to say... because what we are to say will be give to us. I know this... because, as I've said before, many times... what I share is NOT mine; it is what is given to me. These don't believe this... yet, they repeatedly state that they don't understand "how" I speak or the language I do when doing so. That's because they don't know how to listen... to anyone but themselves and those who agree with them.

    So, really, Sab - these folks don't bother ME. Again, they come... and they go. And they come again... and they go, again. And they tire fully out long before I do. But that's because I am not relying on myself. My "strength" (as to these things) doesn't come from me - it is simply part of the gift that you speak of... the "forehead of flint" that MUST accompany the gift because it is necessary to complete the task (Isaiah 50:7; Ezekiel 3:1-11). Otherwise, none of us could stand, certainly not me. Folks like these would chew us up and spit us out on a regular... and very rapid... basis. Surely, you cannot believe that the Holy One of Israel would tell me to speak to Israel, to share with them what he gives me... and then leave me unable to withstand the opposition. HE received great opposition and he KNOWS I... and others like me... will receive it, as well. Because a slave is not greater than his/her master - if they persecuted the master, how much more so his slaves??

    And that is the problem here, dear one: in spite of all the "gnashing," their "teeth"aren't making their usual headway. But then, flint is a very hard substance to chew through, so... yeah, I endure a nick or two from time to time, but nothing really skin-breaking.

    I DO feel their pain, though, dear one. Well, at least I empathize with it. Because chewing through flintmust reallyhurt. I don't have to test my own on flint, though, to know that.

    Thank YOU, though, for your understanding, acceptance, and always, always very kind words. They, and you, are much appreciated. Very much.

    Again, peace to you and your household!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    So, really, Sab - these folks don't bother ME. Again, they come... and they go. And they come again... and they go, again. And they tire fully out long before I do

    LOL...who comes again and goes again?

    if they persecuted the master, how much more so his slaves??

    *Yawn*....not this old chestnut?

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    who comes again and goes again?

    Posters who think they can bully me... and others... our of our faith, Still. You know the type...

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Oh, people bully you?

    if they persecuted the master, how much more so his slaves??...aguest.

    That's what they all say...lol... It's a sign you are in the TRUE faith...lol

    Here this will make you feel better...have a dragon...I hear they're good at foot washing.

  • cofty
    cofty
    How many facts have been given to us by someone claiming it was from a deity of any kind?.. Do we just automatically assume that all of those people were delusional - Sab

    Yes - unless they can provide objective evidence.

    When they boast that Seraphs wash their feet or claim that Jesus performed blood transfusions or that god looks like a gargoyle any rational person should mark that individual down as thoroughly delusional.

    Since I cannot refute then I am forced to accept her asertion

    See that's where you went wrong.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Back on subject...

    I think that inpracticla terms and for "all intents and purposes" that faith and trust tend to be the samething.

    IMO however, we tend to place our trust in things thatr have been proven to be trustworthy and ourt faith in things we THING that are faith is warranted.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    I hear you, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you!)... but I have to say that my Lord has proven himself trustworthy. More than anyone or anything I've ever encountered. Which is why I CAN have faith in him: he has proven himself with evidence/evident demonstrations... so that the things I "hope for"... that have yet to come FROM HIM... will do so! For example, it was proven to ME... demonstrably... that he rose from the dead. Did I see him do that? No. Did I see him at all before he proved to me that he had? Nope. I heard him. He can't speak if he's dead, can he? So, I had no alternative BUT to conclude that he was alive... because I could HEAR him (although not see... "behold" him).

    Given that I have proof that HE rose from the dead... and that he has never lied to me... then when he says that he can resurrect ME from the dead... I am CONFIDENT that should I die he WILL. Therefore, I have faith IN him that (1) he can, and (2) he will... not leave me in Sheol (should I die (because not all will, but I don't dwell on that either way).

    So, while I am not unduly UNCONSCIOUS of the potential I have to die, such that I disregard ALL caution (which would be putting that promise to the TEST!)... I am not unduly concerned with dying, either. It is what it is and will most probably occur for me. BUT... so what if it does? I not only trust him as to his word that he CAN resurrect me, but have faith in him that he WILL resurrect me. That being, "the thing HOPED FOR (i.e., not being left in Sheol but reunited with my loved ones, as his promise is for them, as well).

    I get it that some people believe this life is all that there is... and I can understand why they think that. Just as I can understand why some believe they/loved ones are/have automatically "going/gone to heaven" when they die. Both have been explained to me. And I don't have a problem with those who have either beliefs (and both ARE beliefs), not at all. Any "problem" that I WOULD have has to do with when those beliefs lie on the Most Holy One of Israel... or His Son. Otherwise, I don't really care, truly. Because I know what has been told and shown to ME... and so I have to go with the EVIDENCE I have received.

    Regardless of whether anyone else agrees, disagrees, etc. Doesn't matter: I know what I've heard and seen... and by means of whom: the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH... of Armies.

    Again, peace to you... and YOUR household!

    YOUR servant and fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    For sure Shelby and that is why it is always important to understand what the INDIVIDUAL means when they say they have faith and/or trust because those things don't always mean the same thing to everyone.

    The fact is that God being REAL and PROVEN can be as real for one believer as the sandwich being eaten is real for the skeptic reading these words.

    For some it is a "different type" of trust or faith BUT for others it is the exact same type.

    A believer that KNOWS God will trust and have faith IN God as much as He has ( if not more) in the car that gets him to work everyday, the oven that cooks his food and the shower that washes his body.

    Of course, that doesn't apply to ALL believers and some do indeed believe and trust with "no reason" for doing so other than the fact that they simply DO.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Yes, dear P (peace to you!), I get what you mean...

    And is that George Washington, EP? Looks like the face on some of my currency...

    Peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

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