"Believers" vs. Atheists- Why this formulation?

by Band on the Run 132 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Etude
    Etude

    botchtowersociety: " Intellectually, I am an atheist but something within me calls me to faith "

    In a way BTS, I'm exactly where you are. Although I call myself a committed agnostic, I really don't care about the labels (atheist, agnostic, etc). But I too have those other yearnings that lean towards the non-science I so much uphold. However, I stop short of calling it "faith". What I have settled on is something that science has already indicated: that we have brain functions and centers associated with a sense of spirituality and of "more" and of "connectedness" with the universe, etc. I can't deny that any more than I can ignore having to take a pee. I also realize that such inclinations are more or less pronounced in many individuals. I'm in the process of figuring out how to satisfy that without resorting to mumbo-jumbo. It's not irrational to satisfy a craving simply because we can't explain the craving. And, in my case, it doesn't hurt anyone. So, I say listen to it and see where it takes you. But do it with eyes wide open.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    A professed Christian is anyone that declares that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Saviour, Son of God, that he died and was resurrected and will come again.

    Regardless of denomination, anyone that declares that is a Christian.

    Beyond that are demoniations due to biblicla interpretations.

    A practicing Christian is one that puts into action the teachings of Christ.

    To what DEGREE a person is a Christian is for Christ to decide.

    I am a catholic in the sense that I believe ALL believers are the Body of Christ, they ALL are the Church of God regardless of denominations.

    I believe that Christ and His Father share the same nature and as such are God.

    I judge no one and leave that to God BUT I will comment on a belief that I feel to be correct BUT accept that I may be wrong and ask the Lord to guide me and forgive me when I speak out of turn and I am wrong.

    That is all I can do, that is all any believer in CHrist can do IMO.

  • cofty
    cofty

    To what DEGREE a person is a Christian is for Christ to decide.

    Is that not like being a bit pregnant?

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Now there are degrees? Someone can be a little bit Christian? I didn't think that was an option.

    It sounds good, but you should think about what you just said. Where is there room for degrees when Jesus says:

    'If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."

    That really doesn't seem to allow for degrees although I think it sounds good. A nice way of saying some Christians are better than others, but it doesn't make sense when you break it down. Just say what you mean---some people are better Christians than others.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    LOL !
    I think you guys know what I mean.

    There are Christians that have no doubts, while other struggle with doubts, those that live a life in Christ, those that apprear to and those the struggle everyday.

    Some well argue that a person either IS or ISN'T and that if they "stop being" that they NEVER were.

    My experience tells me that htings are never so black and white.

    But, to each their own.

    If we take the NT as an example, we see th struggles that even Christ's direct apostles had.

    My point is simply that I don't think that anyone outside of Christ can decide if one is a Christian or not or to what degree one is or not.

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    Oh I think someone can be a little bit Christian if there is something to be gained from it. Best sumed up by a couple of verses from WALKING IN MEMPHIS.

    They've got catfish on the table They've got gospel in the air
    And Reverend Green be glad to see you
    When you haven't got a prayer
    But boy you've got a prayer in Memphis

    Now Muriel plays piano
    Every Friday at the Hollywood
    And they brought me down to see her
    And they asked me if I would
    Do a little number
    And I sang with all my might
    And she said
    "Tell me are you a Christian child?"
    And I said "Ma'am I am tonight"

  • cofty
    cofty

    Something I wrote in a previous life....


    There are, by the Bible's reckoning, only two sorts of people. Everybody begins as the same sort; children of Adam or, "in Adam". In this state they are, under "condemnation" (Rom.5:18), "alienated" from, and "enemies" of God (Col.1:21), "children of wrath" (Eph. 2:3), under the "authority of darkness" (Col.1:13), walking in "accord with the flesh" (Rom.8:4), "slaves of sin" (Rom.6:17), and "dead in their trespasses" (Eph.2:1&5).

    The other sort of person is, "in Christ". These are, "declared righteous" (Rom.5:1), "reconciled to God" (Rom.5:10), "born of God" (1 Jhn.5:1) or "born again" (Jhn.3:3), "beloved children" of God (Eph.5:1), "transferred into the kingdom of the Son of God's love" (Col.1:13), indwelled by "God's Spirit" (Rom.8:9), part of a "new creation" (2 Cor.5:17), and "alive together with the Christ" (Eph.2:5).


    The NT knows nothing about degrees of belonging or forgiveness, its very black-and-white.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    It's like the song says, she's a little bit country, he's a little bit rock and roll. Except in this case it's Jesus and Satan.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    And yet ALL sin and fall from God and ALL require God's grace, even the professed, proclaimed and active Christians.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Yes but according to the apostles saved or unsaved is a very binary position.

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