the 4 Gosples were OLd Testament

themaccauk11

In the 4 Gospels Jesus was alive.SO that means they could not be New Testament because you cannot have a Testament unless the Testator is dead.A testament is not in force until after the death . ALso no one could have been saved because there was no shed blood yet

Christ Alone

Technically...but not really. The new covenant was ratified or confirmed when Jesus died. But Jesus put into practice and demonstrated the New Covenant. Jesus fulfilled the law. There is no record of Jesus ever participating in the Old Covenant sacrifices at the temple after His baptism. The epistles were an explanation and the realities of what Jesus taught. Jesus was sent to bring the new covenant to the house of Israel. The new covenant was SEALED at Jesus death, but Jesus came to teach and bring about the New Covenant.

In a messianic prophecy fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Isaiah noted that God would make the Servant “to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles” (Isaiah 42:6; 42:7 is similar to 61:1, which is quoted in Luke 4:18). The Servant himself would be the covenant — he would be the basis of the relationship for both Jews and Gentiles. This was fulfilled in Jesus, for he shed his blood, and it is only through him that we may enter God’s holy nation. Malachi 3:1 predicted that the Lord would be the messenger of the new covenant.

At the Last Supper, Jesus proclaimed that the wine-cup represented his own blood, which would be the blood of the new covenant (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Hebrews 10:29). The cup represented the “new covenant in my blood” (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25). Just as the Sinaitic covenant was sealed with blood, so also the new covenant was ratified when Jesus’ blood was poured out on the cross. We renew that covenant and reaffirm our commitment to it when we drink the wine and eat the bread, remembering the Lord’s death until he returns. The Lord’s Supper is a visible and tangible reminder of the covenant. But the wine is not sprinkled on the surface of the people as the blood was sprinkled on the alter — it is swallowed. The new covenant affects our innermost being.

Jesus coming to earth began the process of putting the New Covenant into place. So the gospels are properly in the New Testament. It was the NEW way that God was going to deal with man and permanently cover his sin.

"Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will form a covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, a new covenant. Not like the covenant that I formed with their forefathers on the day I took them by the hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, that they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people. And no longer shall one teach his neighbor or [shall] one [teach] his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know Me from their smallest to their greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will no longer remember."
Jer 31:30-33

Band on the Run

I see theology posted. Not even gospel statements. It means whatever you want it to mean.

Christ Alone

ALso no one could have been saved because there was no shed blood yet

This comment does not really hold up. The thief that was killed on a cross next to Jesus was told that he would be saved. And Jesus had not yet died. He also was not baptized...which shows that while baptism is important, it is not a salvation issue, but an issue of obedience to Jesus command at Matthew 28:19,20.

Christ Alone

P.S - I see this is your first post. Start a thread and tell us about yourself...THEN talk theology... :-)

John_Mann

The gospels were written after the Paul's letters.

Paul (or whatever) never knew about the gospels b/c they were not invented yet.

And the revelation book was a desperate (and very crazy) attempt to seam the OT and the NT.

Band on the Run

My reading ( since I have no personal expertise) is that there was not formal gospels when Paul was alive but oral traditions of Jesus sayings'. There had to be some narrative to hold churches together. Paul seems to battle with others' claiming apostalic authority. He was not one of the Twelve. Since Judas' replacement was chosen by lots, I wonder how important being an apostle was.

Revelation was written in response to increased persecution of the church by Romans. Paul believed he would not die before Christ returned. He revised his opinion. It must have been hard for Christians' who believed Christ would return imminently to keep waiting. John of Patmos writes to a different generation. The final lines, Of Come, Lord Jesus are a prayer and reassurance that Christ will return. Until He does, the church must be vigilant.

I read that the persecution was not widespread or sustained. It would flare up in different provinces and was brutal when it happened. I

If you interpret the Hebrew Scriptures from the viewpoint of Jews, the NT can never make any sense. Ehrmann or Crossan, I believe, argue that the Christians brought along the OT to make the NW more respectable. Romans respected ancient religions and Judaism was one of the very oldest and well respected. It made Christianity more palatable.

james_woods

In the 4 Gospels Jesus was alive.SO that means they could not be New Testament because you cannot have a Testament unless the Testator is dead.A testament is not in force until after the death . ALso no one could have been saved because there was no shed blood yet

By that logic they could not be Old Testament either - by that logic the Old Testament could not be called such.

designs

Have a Rabbi critique the 4 Gospels and Romans and see why they are considered way off the mark in terms of accurately describing Judaism.

ignoratio elenchi fallacies

james_woods

I would suspect that most Rabbis would be rather unenthusiastic about the gospels, designs.

the 4 Gosples were OLd Testament

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