If there is a creator, will an expanding universe ever become bigger than he? (page 4)

Ucantnome

Nothing is bigger than him cuz he doesnt live in the universe. he lives in a different universe

I dont think of him as living in another Universe. He in my view exists as something we cannot comprehend.

cyberjesus

If God existed it would not be anything like the human version of God and it for sure wouldnt be called God either.. So that "God" wouldnt exist.

Even if you believe in a creator... think about it... what makes you believe he would speak hebrew?

Even if you want to believe in God do you realize that the word God was created by humans. so if your god existed it wouldnt be a God.

cyberjesus

I dont think of him as living in another Universe. He in my view exists as something we cannot comprehend.

if you can not comprehend then why even bother trying.. :-)

Where is God?

-Oh I cant tell you

Why Not?

-Cuz we cant comprehend it.

So he doesnt live anywhere?

-He does but we cant comprehend?

How do you know?

-I know cuz I know, its on my head

its your opinion?

- yes its my opinion

and what about my opinion?

- oh no, trust my opinion.

Ucantnome

I think there is alot of different points in what you say.

I think if we could comprehend God because we are limited in our comprehension we would then limit God and God is Almighty.

I also understood the thread to be from the point of there being a creator not from the point of there not being one.

cyberjesus

I think if we could comprehend God because we are limited in our comprehension we would then limit God and God is Almighty.

I have to tell you about something that is sooo good that you cant comprehend..

- why cant I comprehend?

Because its soo good

- But I want to understand

No you cant. otherwise it wouldnt be so good.

prologos

Thank you all for helping me learn, not to be had the KH. my reaction to your questions.

JOE GRUNDY--: "we dont"( agree that there is a creator). yes, but for the purpose of this discussion, we should agree on these a-priori premises: That There is a universe; it did not make itself, it is created, therefore:

there must be a CREATOR , (at least for the purpose of this discussion), then:

he must predate his creation,- he is old,- has age,-- to have age, you must have time, - if you are really old, (like in eternal), you must have a lot, unlimited, eternal time.-- so there must be

Time that was before the creation of anything, particularly of the 3 other dimensions in the Universe. (not to mention other spirit persons).

ETIRELY POSSIBLE---: THis etrnal time is not a MOVING entity, rolling, spooling off the edge of eternity so to speak.

Think of the eternal God (we agreed on) existing and totally filling Time from eternity to eternity. (well, forget about the ends)

Einstein wrote about the spacetimestartpoint. In his working language you can make endless words. to the point:

at the creation of the universe this stationary and eternal time became entwined with the 3 space dimensions of the material world.- spacetime was started.

This was an expanding creation, having a beginning point in the eternal time and moving out of the singularity into time, expanding space with it. We can really see it stretching, as the pictures arrives now into our telescopes.

Nothing happens at once, or in the same place, because we are MOVING through TIME, in the same way that we are MOVING through SPACE . as we move through space, up down sideways, we also move through time. you can see it happening, take a drive, watch the odometer, the clock.

Now think of the imaginary creator, older, therefore bigger in time than the universe as a person, spiritual, with senses, with knowledge that is all pervasive in his being. Not like us, where nerve-impulses do only 200 feet per second.

Any information that such an eternal God would pick up would be perceived by him, but him being eternal, that information is available eternally, always, everywhere by him already.

but that does not mean that it is availabale to us, unless he would let us know. and the story of him walking, talking might not be, is unlikely one of those communications.

So God new of an event 14 billion years AGO , 14 billion light years AWAY instantly, (He was there) we will know about it only 14 billion years later. thats why he can make predictions to us about and in our future.

Time always was. --when we are conceived we START MOVING THROUGH TIME, by age 5 we are aware of it.bedtime again.

GLADIATOR: yes, vibrations, is is said that "God said" acoustics,vibrations, another topic, perhaps at the heart of the bode law of planetary distances and the good relations with my wife.

MR.FREEZE: as the universe expands it never reaches eternity. it is said to be accelerating perhaps postponing forever the backward move into the past. why speculate? there is no evidence of it, whereas what we talked about so far can be inferred from observations and its ramifications. enjoy reality instead. good vibes. thank you and blessings.

cyberjesus

So God new of an event 14 billion years AGO , 14 billion light years AWAY instantly, (He was there) we will know about it only 14 billion years later. thats why he can make predictions to us about and in our future.

And how do you know that?....its on your head? anyway your premise is faulty. Our present in your story is also the present of your galaxy far far away..

cyberjesus

why speculate? there is no evidence of it,

The only one who can expeculate is the writer of the thread

-why?

Thats just how it is.

EntirelyPossible

I didn't say that time doesn't pass.

I know. You said God isn't part of time and then, when pressed, that he is in eternal time. I am trying to figure out what that means. How does Eternal time differ from the time we experience?

at the creation of the universe this stationary and eternal time became entwined with the 3 space dimensions of the material world.- spacetime was started.

This was an expanding creation, having a beginning point in the eternal time and moving out of the singularity into time, expanding space with it. We can really see it stretching, as the pictures arrives now into our telescopes.

Time and space are the same thing. You can move faster or slower through time depending on how fast you are moving through space. Your explanation lacks actual information, data, facts or evidence.

Can you please explain what eternal time is and how it relates to the spacetime WE live in.

Ucantnome

no

If there is a creator, will an expanding universe ever become bigger than he?

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