I can't imagine not believing in God.

by MsGrowingGirl20 643 Replies latest members private

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  cofty

  I don't feel you have any interest other than to try and distroy my faith and hope I lose my hope. Am I wrong? - Ucant

  I have no personal interest in whether you or anybody else has a faith. Lots of my friends in real life are christians and I never challenge them at all unless they ask to discuss it.

  You posted a curious point on a discussion forum about faith and I was interested in knowing more about your thoughts on how conscience is connected to disbelief. Instead we have had a succession of posts about why I asked.
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  Ucantnome

  I said think about it and you seem to infer that some will debate with you. Did you come to know Christ?
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  Lozhasleft

  However cute and clever you believe yourself to be EP, you cannot prove that god does not exist, and especially not to those of us here who know that he does.

  Loz x
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  EntirelyPossible

  However cute and clever you believe yourself to be EP, you cannot prove that god does not exist, and especially not to those of us here who know that he does.

  I am very cute and clever. Thanks for noticing. It's always nice to have fans.

  In any event, no matter how much you wish it, you don't know it. It's clear you don't know it because when you are pressed, you can't even accurately describe basic details. You think it, you pontificate on it, you vaguely describe it, but you never can quite seem to get the details down.
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  caliber

  going with straight reason.... a quote

  "Occam's Razor says the simplest solution is the best. But which of these is the simplest: that nothing caused everything, or that a God caused everything? For me, the concept of something not having a first cause is illogical, and too complex to make Occam's cut. The more logical explanation is, for me, a First Cause, which is God. "

  "How did He come to exist? I have no more an idea of this than the scientists have to explain how nothing creates something "~~ Salty
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  Lozhasleft

  In any event, no matter how much you wish it, you don't know it. It's clear you don't know it because when you are pressed, you can't even accurately describe basic details. You think it, you pontificate on it, you vaguely describe it, but you never can quite seem to get the details down.

  How can you be so presumptuous as to say this? On what do you base it? I have never and don't ever intend to share with you my knowledge of God. For me to do that, I would have to respect the one hearing me.

  Loz x
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  cantleave

  However cute and clever you believe yourself to be EP, you cannot prove that FSM does not exist, and especially not to those of us here who know that he does.

  
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  EntirelyPossible

  How can you be so presumptuous as to say this? On what do you base it? I have never and don't ever intend to share with you my knowledge of God. For me to do that, I would have to respect the one hearing me.

  I wasn't asking you to share your imaginings about God. You and many others, all with conflicting views, have many times in the past shared them and, conflicting as they are, never quite get to the level details of actually knowing anything. That's why I can confidently and non-presumptously say that.
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  cofty

  Loz - My number one priority to anybody who has just left the Watchtower and is feeling spiritually lost is to avoid everything to do with faith for at least a year or two until they have taken care of far more important social and family priorities.

  When they are ready to consider matters of religion they need to take a long time to consider evidence and have the courage to investigate their most fundamental assumptions. People like myself who have been on both sides of the debate are in a good position to help them understand issues they may not have considered.

  Some believers are keen to proselytise spiritually vulnerable people. This unethical behavior needs to be challenged.

  Look at some of the words you have cast in a negative light in your last post ....

  analysing and challenging

  clever intellect

  fancy research

  These are precisely the things that we needed in order to see through the delusion of the Watchtower. Why would they become unnecessary or even unhelpful once we are out?
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  redvip2000

  A friend of mine says that God is Santa Claus for adults..

  I haven't given up the idea of the existence of God, but i must admit that if you weigh the evidence on both sides, it doesn't look good for the "big man".

  It's hard to give up the belief in God, because humans inherently don't really know how to deal with their own mortality. Nobody wants to face the fact that perhaps this is really all that is. One shot, one life, on brief moment in this planet. It's the same type of emotion that leads humans to predict the eminent end of the world - the inability to accept the idea that the world really will go on, after they pass away.