by MsGrowingGirl20 643 Replies latest members private
This just illuminates how very limited and blinkered you are. I actually feel sorry for you, and would hate to end up thinking like this.
Yes, I am so limited that I can ask basic questions that can't be answered by someone claiming to know things. It's such a burden being able to ask such critical and penetrating questions and have the people claiming to know so much resort to insults rather than answer.
Down-home folksy research doesn't prove anything at all, despite the apple pie, baseball and your country.
As a matter of fact, it does. You are able to post your wrong sentence thanks to research. A little girl was cured of cancer to research. Not prayer. Research. Try again.
Some of us grow out of it.
Yes. And much to mankind's detriment, too. Oh, sure, there are GREAT benefits to "growing up." We can create medicine and technology that enhances living (for many, not all). We can create products that ease our lives, make it easier to cook, wash, travel, defend ourselves/homes/loved ones. Create means for people (who can afford to purchase such means) to live longer and perhaps better.
Yet, little children don't drink and drive. They don't do drugs and rob people to support their habits. They don't build... and launch... bombs or missiles. They don't heinously molest and rape other children/women, etc. They don't hold people hostage at gunpoint; indeed, they don't own guns. They don't commit adultery or murder. They don't trample over villages of poor people for things like oil and precious metals/stones. They don't hijack cars, planes, ships. They don't do a lot of the very "wonderful" (apparently) things that those who "grow out of it" do.
I think all religion is bad for people.
Fair enough, dear CL (again, peace to you!). But as dear Loz suggests, if someone is walking by Spirit... they will find their way. To say different would be to say, for instance, that C's walk is absolutely over. He left the WTBTS and entered yet another "city" of religion. Didn't find what he was looking for there, either. Now he professes no faith at all. But for me or anyone to say that he will NEVER find faith AGAIN... find/be found BY God... would be ridiculous. Because the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it. And if that should one day be C... then who would I, dear Loz, or anyone to say different. So long as he hasn't blasphemed against God (and to my knowledge he hasn't, but what do I know?), by doing so against His [Holy] Spirit/holy spirit... then who's to say? No one can.
Even if he has... it is only up to a believer to pray for God's mercy to be ON him.
A slave of Christ,
SA
First, that wasn't the statement. BUT, second, while it's true that providing does not mean accuracy, you HAVE been provided with ACCURATE detail, as WELL as something you can know.
Of course I am right, Shelby. You describe one thing, another Christian has other hallucinations just as real as yours and describes something else. Others with just as valid hallicinations say yet something different. Others say those details are unknowable. In fact, your own detail is contradictory.
You claim things are both unknowable and untestable and then, via hallucination, proceed to provide conflicting detail. They can't all (indeed, there is no evidence that ANY) are correct.
You didn't have a gotcha, you just mixed up two conversations in your head.
You should be. Indeed, your need to be seems to be consistently increasing.
You're so adorable when you can't defend your consistently conflicting statements and religion.
Personally I never had an imaginary friend as a child, I was content with my real friends and family.
Somehow, I think your Mum and/or Dad might agree with you. Now, you might not REMEMBER, which is the case with most folks, particularly those who are talked out of it early...
Shelby - you completely misunderstood cantleave's post.
Actually, I didn't. I understood that he meant imagination served the purpose to allow those who were, well, idiots (and so wouldn't know to run from, say, a predator... or not just jump off a cliff thinking they could fly... and I know I'm trivializing it...). I think you missed MY point, though...
You are descended from a very long line of ancestors who saw patterns in random events and read intent into randomness. Their cooler contemporaries got eaten more often.
Yes, well, I would wager that while they were running (from whatever that "fear" told them to run FROM)... their "cooler" contemporaries were readying their spears... and EVERYONE ate dinner that night. Even the runners (although, perhaps they were only allowed a wing... versus a leg).
A slave of Christ,
SA
So long as he hasn't blasphemed against God... by doing so against His Holy Spirit - Shelby
Do you mean something like - Fxxx* the Holy Spirit?
Your superstitious threats are meaningless hocus pocus.
- Edited by Jgnat.
WHY?
i cannot imagine life without believing in God and that he is good and that there will be a better future. I could never believe that this life and this world is all there is. I would be very sad and hopeless. I mean...if there's no God...what the hell is the purpose of life?
Can you imagine life without the Volcano God of the South Pacific? Yet many have given Him up.
Can you imagine a God who can make a rock so heavy that even He cannot lift it? Some things just wind up in silly paradox, but it helps to start imagining that God cannot be able to do absolutely anything. Still need more on that? Can you imagine God as able to destroy himself or unable to destroy himself? If you can imagine that He has that ability, then you have imagined that He is not automatically immortal. If you cannot imagine his having that ability, then you have limited God as far as your imagination goes.
So, maybe that helped you to start down the rational road of imagining a world without God.
First, I have to say thank you to everyone who's trying to keep this "discussion" as that for a change: a discussion, even if we do it "our" way...
I am so limited that I can ask basic questions that can't be answered by someone claiming to know things. It's such a burden being able to ask such critical and penetrating questions and have the people claiming to know so much resort to insults rather than answer.
It's an even greater burden being asked... and providing answers to... the same few questions over... and over... and over... again, only to be met with insults when you provide such. Eventually, you go, "Oh, hey, wait, THAT'S the language this one speaks? Okay, so maybe if I speak HIS language, he will GET those answers... and stop asking me (well, others - he knows better than to ask me)... the same questions... over... and over... and over again, and trying to make it SEEM like he's asking new questions. When he isn't. Tiresome, truly.
First, that wasn't the statement. BUT, second, while it's true that providing does not mean accuracy, you HAVE been provided with ACCURATE detail, as WELL as something you can know.
Of course I am right, Shelby.
Of course, you are not. And I have no problem telling you that. And just because you say you are doesn't mean you are. And I have no problem telling you that, either.
You describe one thing, another Christian has other hallucinations just as real as yours and describes something else. Others with just as valid hallicinations say yet something different. Others say those details are unknowable.
Ah, yes, the "another christian" comparison. We've had that discussion... ad nauseum, EP. You know the response to that... and I provided the "details."
In fact, your own detail is contradictory.
Pray tell...
You claim things are both unknowable and untestable
Oh, I have NEVER made that claim. Ever. Other than to say that the "tools" with which they might BE tested are not necessarily at the disposal of science... yet. But have always said that even YOU could know. Even you.
and then, via hallucination, proceed to provide conflicting detail.
Sigh. So, I can go back to calling you "Slick," now... right? No hallucination was involved, nor any conflicting detail.
They can't all (indeed, there is no evidence that ANY) are correct.
I shared the evidence with you. Shared what I saw, heard, felt, smelled... even tasted. Now, if you choose to reject all of that, well, that's on you.
You didn't have a gotcha, you just mixed up two conversations in your head.
C'mon, Slick. While I'm sure there are some who will open this thread and start reading from here and think, "Hey, he said she did that so she must have done that!" plenty of others have followed along and know you're... oh, what's the word... posturing? Pontificating?
You should be. Indeed, your need to be seems to be consistently increasing.
You're so adorable when you can't defend your consistently conflicting statements and religion.
I would say the same of you, but a dishonest man is anything but adorable to me. He can't be trusted. And, sorry, but I can't reconcile "adoration" with "dishonesty." While I know that some are able to adore dishonest folks... indeed, prefer such... it just doesn't work for me. It means I have to be dishonest back. Ummmmm... no [longer] can do. So, for me, I don't care what he looks like on the OUTSIDE - it's what's on the INSIDE that gets my attention. Hence... Mr. AGuest: a dreamboat inside AND out!
But you, though? "You know you like me... you wanna date me..." LOLOLOL!
A slave of Christ,
Ms. Congeniali... uh, SA...
Do you mean something like - Fxxx* the Holy Spirit?
Golly, I didn't mean to get you all riled up, C, truly! And certainly not to THAT point! But, well, I dunno. I mean, did you MEAN to blaspheme with that statement? Before you respond, I would exhort you to be careful. Because the truth is that it is our own mouths that judge us - not God, not Christ, not anyone else, really. But we, ourselves... judge ourselves.
A slave of Christ,
SA
jgnat - I thought carefully about the context before posting my explicit remark.
Shelby was asserting that a particular form of words would condemn a person. I was responding that this is a silly superstitious threat that nobody need fear. I can't do that with an asterix.
