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MavMan

D8TA said:

WTBTS just luuuvs to point their finger dont they? All the while ignoring the 3 pointing right back at them.

I could apply the above statement to you. You also point the finger to the GB, yet ignore your own unloving actions. While you are pointing fingers, the Devil is blinding you to the truth. You have fallen to prey to his machinations.

Ashitaka, you say

My wife has made every effort to keep things peaceable

How? By spreading lies and going against the brothers that they hold dear?

My wife still loves them....but it is obvious that they don't love her.

I doubt it. They must love her. Why don't you test it by humbling yourself and going back to Jehovah's people?

Their attitude is 'my way or no way'.

Isn't that your attitude also?

I've seen families destroyed by the shunning doctrine, people's lives destroyed.

It's not shunning that destroys the family, but the attitude of the unrepentant sinner.

ashitaka

Ah Mav, you old devil, I'm feeding you like a stooge, but to lurkers, you're proving my every point. (That's why I'm feeding the troll, folks)

You see, I, nor my wife, are disfellowshipped. In fact, we're merely inactive.

We committed no sin. The only thing that they know we've done, is not go to meetings.

Their 'brothers' have done some pretty unspeakable things to my wife and I, but because of their personal nature, I can't reveal them on this board.

And who is more important, family, or their friends from the hall?

If you say 'friends from the hall' then you prove my point.

If you say family, then you're proving shunning's unscriptural basis.

You spoke of humility.

Perhaps the humility to accept people without regard to their denomination? I know what witnesses say after they leave the door. I know what kind of filth Witnesses regard the world as.

Humility is a broad word, but in the witness sense, means complete surrender to every conscience stricter than your own. At least the five or six halls I've attended.

Humility doesn't mean shame. It doesn't mean admitting wrong when there was no wrong done. Admitting wrong in that case is a lie.

Our attitude is 'accept us as we are, and we accept you as you are'.

We could easily coexist with them as long as they didn't harass us.

Love is not conditional, nor does it have specific rules. There is a different love language for every relationship. Family is no different.

Her parents' policy is their 'way or no way.' You sound like a parent, so I'll assume you have children in the 'truth'. Are they happy? What trials have you gone through? Are you loving to them? Would you love and accept your children if they dropped out of being witnesses?

Your answers on those points intrigue me.

Also, your last point was about the 'attitude of the repentant sinner'. If the attitude is 'screw my family', or 'i hate my family', then I agree with you.

But if the attitude is, "I have enough self respect to make my own decisions and still accept those of others, whether they be contrary or no," then your point is moot. The blame on an unhappy family goes to the agressor, the person committing the shunning, not the person who sinned.

"How? By spreading lies and going against the brothers that they hold dear?"-MAVMAN

Name one lie. If you can't find one, then your words are slander.

ashi

MavMan

You see, I, nor my wife, are disfellowshipped. In fact, we're merely inactive.

I should have remember that, but I didn't. I apologize, I thought you two were disfellowshipped.

Then you are right, the family shunning her is unscriptural. Of course, family is very important. I understand the shunning if you were out to to destroy their faith. But if you are not, then I don't see why they choose to act that way. I know this has not been taught at the Hall I attend.

Name one lie. If you can't find one, then your words are slander.

Again, for some reason, I was under the impression that you were trying to destroy their faith. If you are not and you are just inactive and not publicly criticizing their faith, then I was way off base.

ashitaka

Right, Mav.

We haven't said a word to them that they haven't questioned us about.

My wife mentioned a friend who was molested and the crime was covered up....but we only gave them the info after her parents asked us why we weren't attending meetings anymore.

We just want to live in harmony with them....but they want to dominate us. I've seen Witnesses do this many times.

Still, even if we were disfellowshipped, but didn't pressure her parents to abandon their faith, this would be the same situation, yes?

Shunning is not scriptural, pure and simple. A sin doesn't change the heart of a person...their environment does. If that environement involves shunning........

I'm sure you see my point.

ashi

AMarie

MM said:

"Then you are right, the family shunning her is unscriptural. Of course, family is very important. I understand the shunning if you were out to to destroy their faith. But if you are not, then I don't see why they choose to act that way. I know this has not been taught at the Hall I attend."

Mav:

I am disfellowshipped but I'm not trying to destroy my family's faith in any way, shape or form. When I am around them, I'm friendly and accepting of who THEY are, even if I totally disagree with their religion. The only time religious topics come up is when they feel the need to critisize me way of life, even though I hurt nobody with my actions, not even myself.

Tell me, is this scriptural?

Mandy

D8TA

Sorry Ashitaka...my last post on this thread. Don't want to hi-jack it. I'll just post me reply.

MavMan

I could apply the above statement to you. You also point the finger to the GB, yet ignore your own unloving actions. While you are pointing fingers, the Devil is blinding you to the truth. You have fallen to prey to his machinations.

Thank you for NOT taking my advice at the end of the above quoted post. You are NOT thinking. For your Trained-With-A-Tire-Swing-And-Banana background, I will stick to small words here for ya.

I was BORN in to the beliefs system of WTBTS. I was FORCED to follow their rules. I was RAPED for 16 years of childhood WITHOUT A CHOICE. Do I have the RIGHT to be UNLOVING to the assholes who were shoving their dicks in my ass without my permission for 16 years? YOU BET YOUR ASS I DO. You-just-dont-get-it. Do ya. I dont go around ENFORCING rules upon people without a choice. The GOVERNING BODY does. I have no accountability to 6 million people and the CHILDREN who have NO CHOICE, now do I? The GOVERNING BODY does! I don't manipulate 6 million people and the CHILDREN who have NO CHOICE, now do I? The GOVERNING BODY does! Therefore the accountability lays with who? I disagreed with the teachings of the WTBTS, I left. Now...did the GOVERNING BODY say: "Oh gee, okay...well, we hope you come back"? No, no, no....their were strings attached. My Mom..doesnt talk to me per say of GB. My older sister does not talk to me per say of GB. The GB LABLED ME an Apostate.

If you like, and dont comprehend what is being said here....let me tie you down, take a broom handle and shove it up your arse for 16 years from the day you were born, then when you tell me it "aint right" ....I tell your family cut ties with you completely. Then, because you didn't like the fact of my broom handle being shoved up your arse, I label you an Apostate. And oh, by the way, you can't be "unloving" to me afterwards.

Helloooo, McFly? Anyone home?

D8TA

MavMan

AMarie:

Tell me, is this scriptural?

This is hard to tell with no details. I don't know how you handled yourself during the judicial meeting. No discipline feels good at the time it's given, but what is the purpose? To strighten us out.

D8TA:

Listen to yourself dude, "I was Forced", "I was Raped", they "shoved their **** in my ****". Quit labeling yourself a victim. If you were raised to be a JW by your parents, so what? Didn't that protect you from a lot of trouble out in the world? Try to see the good in things, instead crying foul and yelling "I'm a victim".

ashitaka

Still, even if we were disfellowshipped, but didn't pressure her parents to abandon their faith, this would be the same situation, yes?

I repeat this, Mav.

ashi

terafera

Ashi, you and D8TA made some great points. I was never disfellowshipped, nor was I baptized yet I am shunned by everyone that is a Witness. It used to hurt..but I accept it now. I never spoke out against jw's or the belief system, but they figured I wasnt a witness, so I wasnt worth the time to talk to. One sister even said about me," she's over 18 and not baptized, so you better give up on her. All hope is lost." Doesnt sound like something Jesus would say does it?

I feel for your family and wife, Ashi. My family still talks to me, but my sister has told me it is only because I was never baptized, and if I had been, she would not talk to me. I thank God I didnt get baptized, because of this. She also said I could not visit my nephews or neices in my own home. God, I wouldnt do anything wrong with them...maybe teach them some manners, LOL.

Good post and topic.

plmkrzy

Ashitaka

There is a thread for you on the board but it may get lost so go look at it.

plmkrzy

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Some happy,some sad"

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