So you're DA'd... No I'm not... Yes you are... No I'm not...

by Calebs Airplane 20 Replies latest jw experiences

  • zeb
    zeb

    CA what a sad thing it is that this bro cant see you as a human person. The wts mentality has everything in little boxes. Anything outside the box is reject.

    I fear this will get worse (a) as the wts as we know has sold up and going to move so the little kingdoms that many at big bethel have built around themselves will no longer be there. Such people are "shit-scared" of change.

    (b) It appears the US society is in a bad way from a lot of angles.

    (c) and this is affecting the old brigade at Bethel who convinced themselves that they would be in the "new order" by now and are not.

    (d) the new angel blazing his message across the world and revealing all to everyone the angel called the internet has them running scared that all their dirty secrets are out for all to see.

    (e) come back to my first point if it isnt approved it is suspect. Hey it is his loss not yours.

    Peace to you and yours.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I bet he was trying to vaccum up that conversation like it never happened. "Uh, gosh, golly, gee, I guess I shouldn't be talking to you then."

  • blondie
    blondie

    Probably not old enough to remember this QFR.

    *** w82 1/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

    My son, who was baptized as a teenager, is now married and has a family. Because of the pressure of earning a living he has cooled off spiritually and does not associate with the congregation. Should he be viewed as a “disassociated” person?

    There is nothing in your description that would require such a viewpoint. The question may have arisen because of misunderstanding what it means to be viewed as “disassociated.”

    The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 23, showed that there is a difference between (a) a Christian who becomes spiritually weak and inactive, and (b) a person who clearly renounces his being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, leading the congregation elders to announce that he has “disassociated” himself. It seems that your son fits the first description.

    It is quite a different matter with a former Christian who is “disassociated.” This designation is applied basically in two situations:

    First, though it is uncommon, a person might decide that he absolutely no longer wants to be a Witness. We do not mean a person such as is described above, a spiritually weak or discouraged Christian who may express some doubts. Rather, we mean someone who resolutely declares that he absolutely is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Since in the past he voluntarily became a baptized member of the congregation, it would now be proper for him to inform the congregation that he is ending this relationship. It would be best if he did this in a brief letter to the elders, but even if he unequivocally states orally that he is renouncing his standing as a Witness, the elders can deal with the matter.—1 John 2:19.

    The second situation involves a person who renounces his standing in the congregation by joining a secular organization whose purpose is contrary to counsel such as that found at Isaiah 2:4, where we read concerning God’s servants: “They will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.” Also, as stated at John 17:16, “they are no part of the world, just as I [Jesus] am no part of the world.”—Compare Revelation 19:17-21.

    In either of these two situations, the person by word and/or actions has clearly terminated his status as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, disassociating himself. Hence, the elders will announce briefly to the congregation that this individual has disassociated himself. Those in the congregation will accept the person’s decision and thereafter will view him as a former brother with whom they would not fellowship, in harmony with what we read at 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 2 John 9-11.

    As can be appreciated, the spiritually weak and inactive son about whom the question was asked has not become a “disassociated” person in either of these two senses and no such announcement has been made in the congregation. So it still may be possible to aid him in the spirit of Romans 15:1: “We, though, who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those not strong.”—See also Isaiah 35:3.

    Watchtower mentioned that some Christians become weak in faith and spirituality. This occurred also in the first century. (Romans 14:1, 2; 1 Corinthians 11:30) It does not mean that they have ceased to be Christians. Even if they become so weak that they no longer share the “good news” with others and stop attending meetings, and they are not bringing reproach on the Christian congregation, they are still to be regarded as our spiritual brothers and sisters. We should want to help them lovingly, following the apostle Paul’s counsel: “We exhort you, brothers, admonish the disorderly, speak consolingly to the depressed souls, supporttheweak, be long-suffering toward all.” While the elders often take the lead in this, it is to be noted that this counsel was directed to all “the congregation of the Thessalonians.” (1 Thessalonians 1:1; 5:14) So the elders and others might offer loving help and encouragement, having in mind the advice: “Straighten up the hands that hang down and the enfeebled knees, and keep making straight paths for your feet, that what is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather that it may be healed.”—Hebrews 12:12, 13; Revelation 3:1-3.

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    Honeybucket got it right, guilt. They/we were taught that there is more guilt associated with NOT attending the meetings than there is in pioneering while on public assistance, not paying taxes, watching porn or taking advantage of the kindness of others in the congregation. This sort of guilt cannot let go when it comes to others who flaunt the system, ie: inactive ones. They must be DA'd, disfellowhipped or apostate, how else could they be so guilt free when missing the meetings? It is a very insideous doctrine this "Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together". Thank god we figured it out, WHAT PEACE WE HAVE! Are we not happified brothers and sisters?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    They are completely rule-bound and afraid of committing a sin.....

    Some year's back a family stopped attending.......The father was evasive as to the reason but definitely not any known wrongdoing. A new sister was at the time in contact with Sister Blues. New sister told her that she had been told by Sister X ( matriarchal old pioneer) that she should Not speak to the lost family....Sister B soon put her right, of course.

    Now why? In view of the parable of the lost sheep and all that the scripures say about love, do they want turn away from those lacking the faith???

    Beats me !

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    It was probably a fear that he was talking to an apostate, or else he just realized that he didn't have much in common with you anymore if you weren't zealous about the "truth" anymore. Yes, as a supposed Christian, he should have inquired as to what the matter was, and whether he could help, but if your side of the conversation had the tone that I got from your description, it would have been clear to him that you weren't interested in being "helped" and perhaps you were even proud of being inactive. So what obligation did he have to stand there, or to care about the difference between "disassociated" and "inactive"? Didn't you make your stance fairly clear to him?

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    Reminds me of that elder I ran into a few weeks ago. Just immediately goes into the whole thing about how great the Truth is. No real concern for how I'm doing except that I don't go to meetings or in service anymore.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    If the local congo leaves you alone, then they are wrong, because they are not looking for the stray sheep.

    If the congo calls on you to try to help you come back, they are wrong, because they are not leaving you alone.

    HB

  • cobaltcupcake
    cobaltcupcake

    I'm sure he found the silver lining - he could count the time he spent talking with you!

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    He thought you might infect him with your disassociated/inactive coodies! In their minds weather its typhoid mary or the black plague either one will kill them if they get to close.

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