History of disfellowshippings (Biblically)

by MavMan 46 Replies latest jw friends

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  MavMan

  The prodical son did not have to wait three months to a year be accepted back into his fathers house, did he? Why not?

  No, he did not have to wait three months to a year. He humbled himself to point of willing to take the job of a slave. He showed repentance. JWs disfellowship unrepentant sinners.

  Paul stated that the majority who rebuked the wrongdoer was enough.

  I don't believe he made that distinction. Certainly those Christians would have respected Paul's authority within the Christian congregation and not challenged him by associating with the wrongdoer. Obviously they did respect the arrangement, that's why Paul wrote his Second letter with instructions to accept the wrongdoer into the congregation.
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  ThiChi

  Also, Paul states that the man should be forgiven by them, the congregation, not reinstated by a committee!
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  detective

  First expulsion: Adam and Eve

  Adam and Eve were physically removed from Paradise, right?
  Paradise= place. God sends 'em packing. If you are likening expulsion from a physical place to disfellowshipping or excommunication then paradise=congregation to you, Mav? In which case, remind me again where are disfellowshipped ones encouraged to be? At meetings, no?

  I'm not really sure what you are getting here perhaps you can explain it a wee bit better?

  First disfellowshipping: Cain

  Again, I'm unclear on the difference you are trying to make between expulsion and disfellowshipping? But... a couple of questions: Who disfellowshipped cain? (and jokingly... did he appeal the judicial committees finding?)
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  anewperson

  Annointed King Saul disfellowshipped David. Son Jonathan disobeyed his father to continue fellowshipping. David and Saul are well thought of, disfellowshipper Saul is not - it's in the Bible.
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  Adam

  Examples of injustice:
  1. God punnishes every human for the mistakes of two people.
  2. God lets Job suffer thru living hell and allows the deaths of his family simply to prove a point.
  3. God says he is going to destroy Soddom and Gomorah if 100 good people are not found. What if there were 99? Oops, tough shit for the 99 good people. He has to be convinced by a human to lower the number.
  4. God picks a nation of people to be his chosen, the rest of the world watch out. Even if you're a good person, if you're not the right race, you're screwed.

  Mav, just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's the thing to do.
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  ThiChi

  You do not address the points.

  If I am disfellowshipped and come to the KH, not committing the sin I was DISFELLOWSHIPPED for , leaving my past behind, will I be welcomed back like the prodical son? Answer: NO. Very simple yet very powerful.

  Reason: The Jws treat DISFELLOWSHIPPING as a “state” and not as an act with redemption as the bible teaches.

  “”quote:

  Paul stated that the majority who rebuked the wrongdoer was enough.

  I don't believe he made that distinction. Certainly those Christians would have respected Paul's authority within the Christian congregation and not challenged him by associating with the wrongdoer. Obviously they did respect the arrangement, that's why Paul wrote his Second letter with instructions to accept the wrongdoer into the congregation.”“

  Paul used the term “majority” and not the word “all.” Why? Because only a majority chose to rebuke him, or he would have used a different word. What about the minority then?

  You can rationalize all you want, but it is there in black and white!
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  ThiChi

  “”In WT policy, however, this apostolic instruction has been applied in a way that converts it into the basis for a complicated, formalistic exercise of legal authority......” R Franz

  I agree!
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  ThiChi

  When the Shepard leaves the ninety-nine to recover the one lost sheep, no action on the one lost sheep was required, except to agree to be restored! Jesus does not mention any formalistic legal process the lost sheep must endure for acceptance. Also, once in, no probation (restrictions) were involved!
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  AjaxMan

  YoYo or MavMan,

  What were you disfellowshipped for?

  Was it a Biblical DF'ing?

  JWs disfellowship unrepentant sinners.

  Are you unrepentant of what you did?

  Please enlighten us since you touched on the subject
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  ThiChi

  “”Certainly those Christians would have respected Paul's authority ...”

  Really? Barnabas had a falling out with Paul on service matters, was he disfellowshipped for disagreeing with Paul’s “authority” in this matter?

  Read most of Paul’s writings, and he is defending himself against other brothers! Some stated he was a poor speaker and his speech contemptible! Were they disfellowshipped for their views? The JWs love to paint a different situation.

  Jesus stated that “only one is your Master, all of you are brothers.”

  Not in JW land..........