History of disfellowshippings (Biblically)

by MavMan 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    “”Thi: Barnabas never questioned Paul's authority. He disagreed on the appointment of Mark, that's all. “”

    That’s all? After “bitter words” as one translation puts it, they went their separate ways, disbanding the preaching tour. If everyone should follow Paul’s instructions for disfellowshipping as you state, then why not an “appointment?”

    Your committee meeting:

    Nowhere in the bible does it place elders in a privileged class to hear your “case.” The bible states to confess your sins to one another, not just the “elders.”

  • MavMan
    MavMan
    If everyone should follow Paul’s instructions for disfellowshipping as you state, then why not an “appointment?”

    The appointment was not an official appointment. Paul, obviously accepted Mark and saw his value, for he mentions him as a loyal servant of Jehovah.

    The bible states to confess your sins to one another, not just the “elders.”
    You have misread that scripture. A few verses back, James was talking about going to the elders. So following the line of logic, the confessing the sins with one another referred to confessing the sins to elders not to just anyone.

    Here is the scripture:

    13Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

    Nowhere in the bible does it place elders in a privileged class to hear your “case.”
    In the Corinthian congregation, who were responsible for removing the wrongdoer from the congregation?

    1 Corinthians 6:4, 5 says "4If you have legal disputes about such matters, why do you go to outside judges who are not respected by the church? 5I am saying this to shame you. Isn't there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these arguments? "

    Galatians 6;1 says "1Dear brothers and sisters, if another Christian[1] is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. "

    Obviously someone had to hear that persons "case". Who better to do it, than those that had the appointment as elders.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Mauve

    What makes it a biblical DF'ing?

    The fact that Jehovah mentioned the particular sin I committed in the Bible.

    So what will you do when you're df'd again for being here?
    Thou shalt not defend your beliefs on the internet. WT 2:13

    Would that be a biblical DF'ing?

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    ““You have misread that scripture. A few verses back, James was talking about going to the elders. So following the line of logic, the confessing the sins with one another referred to confessing the sins to elders not to just anyone.”“

    You have misread the Scriptures!

    It states that older men should be called in for sickness. There is no proof what so ever that it is for spiritual sickness as the WT would like us to believe. In fact, after stating what they should do (Grease with oil, do they do this with spiritual sickness today? Of course not, but they did grease with oil back then for health reasons!) then it states to pray and that sins may also may be forgiven. Why state this twice if it is just for sins all along?

    Because the first part was adressing sickness , nothing more.
    However, the Bible is very clear who we should confess our sins to: One Another!

    Once again, the WT twists what is actually written!

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

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    If everyone should follow Paul’s instructions for disfellowshipping as you state, then why not an “appointment?”
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    The appointment was not an official appointment"""

    Wow, how do you know this? How do we not know then that the disfellowshipping was not an "official" appointment of status?

    Paul's preaching tour not "official?"

    You are rationalizing big time! Face the real truth!

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    The WTBTS will eventually pay for their crimes...

    UADNA-New Jersey Chapter-"OUR REACH IS FAR, OUR CAUSE IS JUST"

  • MavMan
    MavMan
    The WTBTS will eventually pay for their crimes...

    But the question is, will you pay for yours?

    Thi: You are not good at reasoning eh? Read verse 15 once again, see the connection between being sick (spiritually sick) and then "if the person had sinned"?

    Regarding Paul and Barnabas. You are just using the wrong example. Barnabas had an argument with Paul, this happens all the time with human beings, but Barnabas never questioned the fact that Paul was an apostle and being used by Jehovah.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    What crimes? If you cannot say, then you are slandering me.

    Watch what accusations you make. My opinion of the WTBTS is just that, opinion from my experience in dealing with them.

    What are my crimes?

    UADNA-New Jersey Chapter-"OUR REACH IS FAR, OUR CAUSE IS JUST"

  • MavMan
    MavMan

    Speaking against Jehovah's organization on this forum. Good luck with that one. (actually you will need more than luck).

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    {That's it ashi, feed the troll}

    Speaking against Jehovah's Witnesses is not a crime.

    Also, Jehovah's Witnesses do not equal Jehovah's Organization. Get your delusions strait.

    Thanks for the memories, yoyoMav.

    ashi

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