by Marvin Shilmer 17 Replies latest jw friends
We all know what endogenous means.
Especially from a university in Alabama.
This is definitely a conversation no one wants to have.
And the only way a democracy can keep some in the population from using guns irresponsibly is to keep everyone from having guns.
Witness My Fury,
Based on the sources you’ve offered, my response is that the issue of concern is not the rate of homicide attributable to guns but, rather, whether prevalence of guns is causation to homicide rate.
Said another way, if there are more guns then I’d expect more homicide by guns than if there are less guns. But if we lessen gun ownership the question is will that lessen homicides?
The sources I’ve cited go directly to that latter issue.
Marvin Shilmer
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“We all know what endogenous means.”
Scotoma,
Respectfully, perhaps you should explain yourself. Maybe whoever “we all” is (including you) are not so sure what endogenous means.
Marvin Shilmer
Witness My Fury,
A hard piece of data:
Iowa’s gun ownership law is much looser than that of the United Kingdom, yet:
- Iowa has an intentional homicide rate of 1.27 per 100,000 in year 2009.
The United Kingdom’s gun ownership law is much tighter than Iowa’s, yet:
- United Kingdom has an intentional homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000 in year 2009.
How does this hard data reconcile with a notion of ‘more guns more homicide and less guns less homicide’?
Marvin Shilmer
Newsflash: Murder pre-dates firearms by centuries!
James Madison authored the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It has little to do with weapons and more to do with people not mortgaging their security to incompotent governments. Society is less apt to defend themselves and rely on government to do so because we are told that is the "civilized" way to do things.
However, it has less to do with being civilized and more with promoting this fantasy utopian state that is impossible to exist under any set of laws or type of government.
The recent Florida Pizza Shop shooting offers some important information to the public- standing in line with a loaded weapon tucked under the shirt and a simple frustration with slow service ends not with a shouting match and the manager stepping in to calm things down but a person being shot two times in the stomach...over Pizza. The shooter had at least two things on his mind- right to carry and stand your ground. Who goes for pizza with a loaded firearm tucked in his pants not expecting on some level to take normal human grievances to extreme physical levels.
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I realize it’s been almost two whole weeks (Alas! Ancient history by contemporary standards!) since the murderous rampage in Newtown, but trying to move this discussion along despite lethargy…
One of the articles cited above put to rest the myth that there is a sub-culture of violence among blacks.
“It would appear that the thesis of a “subculture of violence” among blacks is invalid. Poor whites are killing each other as frequently as poor blacks, well-off blacks as infrequently as well-off whites. If this is true, the implication is that public health efforts are better spent addressing the conditions of poverty than pursuing the issues of culture.”—(Centerwall, Author's Response to "Invited Commentary: Common Wisdom and Plain Truth", American Journal of Epidemiology, 1991, Vol. 134, No. 11, p. 1264)
Marvin Shilmer
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“Who goes for pizza with a loaded firearm tucked in his pants…”
For whatever it’s worth, this time of year it is not unusual to have a higher presence of concealed weapons in retail establishments. Owners and patrons alike are more aware that armed robbery peaks during the Christmas holiday season.
Anecdotally in my area it’s not unusual for local retail owners to encourage their regulars to carry during the holiday season. In the past ten-fifteen years in more than a few occasions armed customers were the difference between a successful and attempted armed robbery. One of these occasions was of a Family Dollar store manager who was pushed to the ground in the parking lot with his bank deposit. A regular customer shouted and placed his hand on his sidearm. The thief took one look at the armed customer and ran for his life.
Marvin Shilmer
