Greetings from a new member (page 4)

james_woods

Regretfully, I have started the Troll Clock on this. Simply because of these arcane statements:

"I may or may not believe in the literal 144,000" "But, I still follow the GB"

This is the height of BS.

cofty

From your website............

It is our belief that the Jehovah’s Witnesses... have been genuinely interested and well active in promoting the “good news of the kingdom” in obedience to Jesus’ command

How would you succinctly summarise that "good news of the kingdom"?

james_woods

To quote:

Yes I agree with the GB in many things, that's why I'm still a Witness ;) However, there are MANY things I disagree, and that's why I'm here. If you take a look beyond the "basic beliefs" section, and look at the article "Two kings at War" you see an example of how much I differ from the GB. And I intend to publish many other examples. Btw, where do you see that I believe that 144.000 is a literal number? What you see there is simply a quote. I may or may not believe it's literal.

This is spam for a competing website.

cofty

Its only spam if its a hit-and-run. Lets hope he comes back when he gets more posts tomorrow to discuss his very slightly modified JW religion.

breakfast of champions

Welcome EDEN. I have to admit, that is THE WORST avatar I have ever seen on this site. It's almost offensive.

james_woods

OK, Cofty - but the spam/troll clock still runs in the meantime...

LoisLane looking for Superman

Seems like you are a passer-by, just "looking" into the neighbors yard.

Interesting...

Just Lois

flipper

EDENONE- Welcome to the board, look forward to hearing more from you. Peace out, mr. Flipper

Pterist

Edenone ***** Can you please enlighten me how the WTS uses this passage as proof that the '70 years' have begun*****

My comments and reference to in depth website devoted to 607 @ JW UK website as follows:

Just look at how JWs twist scripture to prove their false take on The 70 years.

Look how they interpret Jeremiah 25:29......from this JW web site -------> http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/70yearsofservitude.html

Yes, the nations certainly will drink Jehovah’s rage. They have no choice. After all, if his own people going to drink of it, the nations certainly will. However, when will he make his own people drink of this cup? Jehovah makes it quite clear when, saying:

“For, look! it is upon the city upon which my name is called that I am starting off in bringing calamity, and should you yourselves in any way go free of punishment ? You will not go free of punishment, for there is a sword that I am calling against all the inhabitants of the earth,' is the utterance of Jehovah of armies.””

The answer to our original question, 'Does the servitude begin when Jerusalem is destroyed?' has been right here all along – in the very same chapter where the 70 years of servitude is mentioned. After stating that Judah will become a devastated land, and that the nations will serve Babylon for 70 years, did you notice that the starting point of the 70 years is directly pinpointed?

Jehovah is “starting off” with “the city [upon] which my name is called”, that city, of course, being Jerusalem. Only when that city meets calamity will the 70 years for all the nations begin. It does not say the calamity starts upon the countryside of Judah, as some claim. Nor does not say it begins with a mere exile. It starts off in the city of Jerusalem, and it is “a sword that I am sending among you.”

The calamity of Jerusalem is the “starting” point, and from that point onward the nations will not remain “free of punishment”. For sure, “Jerusalem” will drink the cup first, but all the other nations must drink the cup and serve the King of Babylon too. Can it get any clearer than this?

What does this mean? It means 587 cannot be the date of Jerusalem’s destruction. As you know, 587 to 537 is only 50 years. On the other hand, 607 to 537 is exactly 70 years.

Lets look at the following translations of Jeremiah 25:29 that show how they twist scripture. Can anyone back up a comment from a Greek or Hebrew translation ??? ?

New International Version (©1984)
See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword upon all who live on the earth, declares the LORD Almighty.'

New Living Translation (©2007)
I have begun to punish Jerusalem, the city that bears my name. Now should I let you go unpunished? No, you will not escape disaster. I will call for war against all the nations of the earth. I, the LORD of Heaven's Armies, have spoken!'

English Standard Version (©2001)
For behold, I begin to work disaster at the city that is called by my name, and shall you go unpunished? You shall not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth, declares the LORD of hosts.’

20yearfader

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