The "Tree of Life and its meaning" (page 12)

sabastious

Faith in God is blind faith.

What do you mean by "God"?

-Sab

james_woods

When I first found this forum, must have been 6 or 7 years ago, I came here thinking it was a site made by Jehovah's Witnesses.

Your entry date is 1/02/2013. If you were here that long ago, prove it.

I am calling troll here again - the troll clock is still running on this one.

EntirelyPossible

Cofty, I get Sab's point, I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow, based on evidence and past events. Faith in God is the opposite of that and he is trying to equate the two.

cofty

Religious faith is not based on reality. It has resulted in great harm and continues to do so.

EntirelyPossible

What do you mean by "God"?

Whatever you mean.

cantleave

If we lived 100 years ago you would still believe that the smallest particle in the universe was the atom.

We have moved forward in so many ways when it comes to our undertsanding of the universe. Atomic theory has been refined consderably from Bohr's model of the atom. It doesn't make Bohr's work valueless, it was a model that worked well enough for us build the periodic table and understand the different types bonding in molecules and is still used to give students a basic understanding of atomic structure today.

The model fell short in terms of understanding multi-electron atoms or explaining doublets and triplets. Other models were postulated, and tested based on theorecdtical concepts of Schrodinger and Heisenberg. These models provided solutions to the shortfalls of the Bohr Model.

We now know that the smallest particles are not electrons (which actually are not considered particles but waves occupying specifically shaped orbitals), but much smaller particles exist such as quarks which make up protons and netrons.

The bottom line is, science moves our understanding forward. It is testable, it is reviewed and challenged and it doesn't jump to conclusions.

The trouble with belief especially with a system like yours, is not only do you fill the gaps in our knowledge with a supernatural designer, you give it a gender, a name and a personality,all based on your interpretation of a book written thousands of years ago by ignorant goat herders and hunters. Not only that, you are so so sure they got it right you dismiss the approximately 30,000 other supernatural beings that have been believed throughout Human history and even those believed in other lands. Have you ever considered what you would believe if you were born in India, Saudi Arabia or Tibet?

sabastious

Cofty, I get Sab's point, I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow, based on evidence and past events. Faith in God is the opposite of that and he is trying to equate the two.

I don't understand your statement until you define "God" for me. The more details the better.

Religious faith is not based on reality. It has resutled in great harm and continues to do so.

I disagree. This world has been shaped by both good and evil religions. Religious faith is not the core issue, blind faith is the core issue. Blind faith is the opiate of the masses and has always been exploited by the immoral. What happens is that religious forces reveal themselves to a select few and then it's their responsibility from that point on. What results is eventual corruption and the need for more public revelation. Each cycle improves upon the previous.

Whatever you mean.

That doesn't make sense. I need to know YOUR definition in order to make sense of YOUR statement.

-Sab

cofty

Sab - What has any of that go to do with the topic?

Have you even read EdenOne's article?

EntirelyPossible

I don't understand your statement until you define "God" for me. The more details the better.

OK.

Religious faith is not the core issue, blind faith is the core issue.

They are the same thing.

That doesn't make sense. I need to know YOUR definition in order to make sense of YOUR statement.

OK.

sabastious

Sab - What has any of that go to do with the topic?

It's loosely related. I just wanted to talk about your statement "faith is the enemy of truth." It was quite the provocative statement.

OK.

OK.

They are the same thing.

Not true. Revelation is personal which then requires faith from others. Eventually that faith corrupts because it's only human requiring another dosage of revelation. This means that the one's who experienced revelation have true religious faith. It cannot be considered blind if it was experienced first hand.

-Sab

The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

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