Most Current Teaching?

by NeverKnew 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  NeverKnew

  And yet the witnesses claim that Jesus used hellfire and the immortal soul in a parable. But it was all completely fictional?

  Wait... I'm so sleepy I'm cross-eyed. Are you being serious?
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  Lore

  Are you being serious?

  Yes. Which part are you unsure about?

  Jesus definitely used hellfire and Abraham in heaven in a parable right here:

  (Luke 16:22-25) 22 Now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of Abraham. “Also, the rich man died and was buried. 23 And in Ha′des he lifted up his eyes, he existing in torments, and he saw Abraham afar off and Laz′a·rus in the bosom [position] with him. 24 So he called and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Laz′a·rus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in this blazing fire.’ 25 But Abraham said . . . (it goes on, but you get it)

  And the witnesses definitely claim that this Jesus was full of crap here:

  *** pe chap. 9 p. 88 par. 19 What Kind of Place Is Hell? ***
  . . . Since, as we have seen, Hades refers to mankind’s grave, and not to a place of torment, it is plain that Jesus was here telling an illustration or a story. . .
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  prologos

  just steering around the parables, another WT quote is " --we (FDS) do not know of any scripture that would require Abraham to take the emblems--" Blondi could find it I am sure. based on their belief that wine and crackers mean heaven. like catholics believe that you have to have comunion the last onction to stay away from the hot place. and meet peter with the keys.

  In an ordered universe its extraordinary that the creator would not supply simple clear doctrin basis. it can not come from him, unless he wants to sow discord like is reported in the story of the other, older B******* tower.
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  NeverKnew

  Oh what a tangled web they've woven.....

  Thanks. I'm a Trinitarian... born-in so to deconstuct, I am working really hard to understand constructs.

  The roadblocks built seem to be neverending.

  I suspect right now he's trying to figure out why his WT is saying the opposite of the verses presented.
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  Ding

  NeverKnew referred to Matthew 8:11.

  Here's what it says in the NWT: "But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens"
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  NeverKnew

  Ding.... ahhhh, thank you.

  Because I don't own a NWT, I've asked that we read the ESV so he was responding from an ESV.

  I've railed against the NWT, so, as thorough as he is, I can assure you he is using the Bible app we have both downloaded on to our phones and making comparisons.

  The Youversion Bible is a great free app for anyone interested.
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  NeverKnew

  I have a pdf of kingdom interlinear on my home computer. Hopefully kingdom is singular in that book. He has the actual KI and we are seeing each other tomorrow.

  I may ask him to bring it.