by AGuest 32 Replies latest watchtower bible
Shelby, have you ever tried Zyprexa? It's helped many 'such like ones' as you self. What if it made the voices go away. That would prove the voices are not from God wouldn't it.
Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Hello my dear sister Shell
I was originally going to post this on an earlier thread, but could not find my password, so I’m a little late. I hope it does not sound to out of place. Anyways.
I enjoyed your post and agree 100%. The WTBS use the fear of man to a great degree. One of the things we were supposed to make sure of when inviting a person to the memorial was that they know – regardless of their beliefs – neither to eat the bread nor to drink the wine. I can remember an elder talking to a man outside before the memorial begin, in fact he was still trying to convince him not to partake while in the back of the kingdom hall. The man said he knew he had been called by God and knew he should partake of the emblems, but by the time the emblems were past, the elder had convinced him not to partake.
In the org. to partake means you are somebody really important, a rare individual indeed. But in just about all religions that claim to be Christian religions, partaking or sharing in communion is the ordinary.
Thank you Shell for using Jesus’ words, while the WTBS uses the interpretations of men via the watchtower magazines, books, booklets, and outlines for public talks. Funny, how the proclamation is never made that these matarials are inspired, but most JWs will take these uninspired utterances over Jesus own words.
Do not fear the uninspired teachings nor the men and women who follow them.Listen to the words of our savior and to words that are inspired.
Rev 22:17 The SPIRIT and the bride keep on saying “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; Let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.”
Shell The spirit in me bears witness with your spirit. May all praise and glory go to our father Jah and his son Jaheshua.
A servant to the household of Israel,
Me:
Do you think jesus has the monopoly on truth? Could there be truths coming from krishna, buddha, terrence mckenna, zeroster, enoch, bill moyers, opra winfrey, joe blow, dick, jane, sally, etc??
SJ
Lemme ask you: could there? Rather, IS there? If so, is it THEIRS?
Gee, do you need to avoid the question and send it back to me? No ideas from your voices? We can wait for them, if they need time.
SS
Ok, i will enlatge the question. Is it possible that those above named people could get/have gotten communications from 'god', in forms different from your own, perhaps taking form in ideas, goals, creativity. Transmissions that directed their lives in certain directions, to accomplish certain things? Perhaps ways of improving society, or segments of it.
SS
Is it possible that those above named people could get/have gotten communications from 'god', in forms different from your own, perhaps taking form in ideas, goals, creativity. Transmissions that directed their lives in certain directions, to accomplish certain things? Perhaps ways of improving society, or segments of it.
Absolutely. If it would serve to further God's will and purpose, I don't see why not. The only different I see is that I openly acknowledge and give glory to the SOURCE of the 'form' in what I receive. Perhaps they do not. Perhaps they did... and were not BELIEVED... and so CHANGED their acknowledgement of the source... due to... say, pressure... from more, uh, 'sane' people, such as yourself.
Uh, before you go 'off' on me... remember that YOU said: "could get/have gotten communications from 'god'" and "Transmissions...". So, I was responding to what you ASKED... as I did previously.
My peace remains...
YOUR servant and slave of Christ,
SJ
Absolutely.
I agree.
If it would serve to further God's will and purpose, I don't see why not.[quote]Ok, but from my study of mysticism, it appears that 'god' would have all be spiritual, so, the wish from 'god' for spirituality is spread equally on all. The only differentiating factors then would be within people, and their lives. [quote]The only different I see is that I openly acknowledge and give glory to the SOURCE of the 'form' in what I receive. Perhaps they do not. Perhaps they did... and were not BELIEVED... and so CHANGED their acknowledgement of the source... due to... say, pressure... from more, uh, 'sane' people, such as yourself.
Yes, there is always peer pressure. Also true, is that things of a spiritual nature are contaminated by the mind/brain of the person recieving them. The mind/brain tries to fit these effects into its worldview. Thus it forces new spiritual ideas to fit into its preexisting religious dogmas. Since this process is likely present in your own recived words, why would you view the spiritual lives of others as being inferior to yours?
Some christians aren't the only ones persuing spirituality. Many hindues, buddhists, hassidics, pagans, shamans, sufis and others do also. Some of them view the hearing of voices as a stage or distraction from the real purpose of the spiritual life - experiencing 'god'. Yet others stop at these lower stages, because these symptoms make them feel special, or as a way of gaining attention or money.
SS
why would you view the spiritual lives of others as being inferior to yours?
Where do you people get this stuff?
My message is not TO Buddhists, Hindus, etc., etc. It is to the Household of God, ISRAEL. Who said others, INCLUDING Israel, was 'inferior'? As a TRUE servant of God, through Christ, is it not my position that ALL others... are SUPERIOR? And is that not why I am deemed a SERVANT, even to YOU?
Sigh! Pay attention, Saint. Please. It ain't rocket science. Truly.
Peace.
YOUR servant... and a slave of Christ,
SJ
why would you view the spiritual lives of others as being inferior to yours?Where do you people get this stuff?
Well, i don't know, i could be reacting from my own biases. On the other hand, comments like:
My message is not TO Buddhists, Hindus, etc., etc. It is to the Household of God
lead me to think that since you say buddhists, hindues, etc are not in god's household, then you consider their spirituality to be inferior to yours. I'm sure i could go through your posts and find many more comments like that. You know that there is a tremendous spirituality within all those groups. If you believe it's not from god, but rather the devil, then saying that you consider it inferior to your own would be an understatement.
SS
Well, i don't know, i could be reacting from my own biases.
Well... thank you, truly, for even considering that thought.
On the other hand, comments like: "My message is not TO Buddhists, Hindus, etc., etc. It is to the Household of God..." lead me to think that since you say buddhists, hindues, etc are not in god's household...Sigh! And yet, does it not say that God, by means of Christ, will take people out of EVERY NATION, TRIBE AND TONGUE AND PEOPLE... and from such ones make 'a nation of kings and priests'? And is it not ISRAEL whose 'seats' in that 'house' are initially limited to 144,000? Am I wrong to accept my 'commission' to go to MY brothers who are of that household, and beg THEM to return so that they can AT least get what was promised THEM through Abraham... by means of Christ? Do you not think that someone is 'sent' to Buddhists, Hindus, and all others? True, it's not ME... yet... and may never be. But neither then was Paul sent to the Jews... but to the nations. Yes?
And even so, my message is to Israel... AND... all those that go WITH them. Yes?
then you consider their spirituality to be inferior to yours.Spirituality... is spirituality, Saint. Just as there is no superiority among flesh, there is none among spirits, save my Lord. That is why even the angel of the ark, Michael, told John NOT to worship HIM, for even HE was a 'fellow slave'. If my Lord directed me to go to Buddhists (and he may yet still), I would most certainly go to THEM, with whatever message he gave me, ALONG with the SAME message of love and peace. But this isn't my 'show'. I'm just a servant; I keep telling you that.
I'm sure i could go through your posts and find many more comments like that.Sure, if you're LOOKING for such. If that's what you want to SEE. Or... you could go through... and see the love... and get the point. (Hmmm... let's see: look for the bad... look for the good... look for the bad... look for the good... decisions, decisions.) People 'see'... what they WANT to see, Saint... and DON'T see... what they DON'T want to see. Including... the kingdom of God.
You know that there is a tremendous spirituality within all those groups.Indeed. Where there is a physical body, there is a SPIRITUAL one. We are, ALL OF US... spirits, dear Saint. Even the plants and animals. For where there is a modicum of LIFE... there is 'spirit'. We are, all of us... "treasures... hidden in EARTHEN vessels." All it comes DOWN to, though, is by whom such spirit is ultimately 'beget', who becomes its 'father'.
If you believe it's not from god, but rather the devil, then saying that you consider it inferior to your own would be an understatement.Uh, I think the only folks I say such a thing about right now are the false leaders and prophets of 'christendom' (tee-hee! Yeah, I said 'christendom', forgive me!)... including and PARTICULARLY the WTBTS. But even they can change. But, my Lord has not directed me to conclude one way or another about any others. Ask Unkle Bruce (where the heck is he, anyway?!)... we've discussed the origins of some Chinese beliefs before, and their correlation with what is REALLY true.
For example, did YOU know that in general the Chinese believe that two dragons are the 'guardians of Paradise'? Did YOU know that cherubs are 'seraphs', which are 'flying fiery serpents'? Did YOU know that dragons are simply serpents... with WINGS... and therefore 'flying' creatures? Did YOU know that purportedly two cherubs... and therefore, flying fiery serpents... and therefore, DRAGONS... were posted outside Eden... uh, Paradise?
And yet, 'christians' name ALL dragons as 'bad'. Yet, when Satan, the 'arkaic angel' (angel of the ark), a 'flying fiery serpent' or 'cherub'... or DRAGON... entered in before God's throne, what in the WORLD gives us the impression that HE... looked ANY different from any of the OTHERS that entered in before God... to give an 'accounting'? There was/is NO difference, dear one, other than Satan was a bit more 'beautiful' than the others, including my Lord, and it was that beauty... that caused him to become haughty. But... he was the same TYPE of creature.
You judge me, dear Saint... and what I know and believe... hastily. And yet, YOU boast the label "Saint Satan". Do I judge YOU to be 'from the Devil'? No, dear one. Not at all.
My peace remains, dear Saint.
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
Where there is a physical body, there is a SPIRITUAL one. We are, ALL OF US... spirits, dear Saint. Even the plants and animals. For where there is a modicum of LIFE... there is 'spirit'. We are, all of us... "treasures... hidden in EARTHEN vessels."
Sounds right.
SS
