Meridian and Energy Therapies

NoOnesMan2002

I was passed this link over the weekend, and since then have been using some of the techniques with apparent success.

http://livingbyheart.tripod.com/lauriekristensen/id22.html

Love and regards,
George

How is this different from traditional theory that's behind acupuncture/acupressure? Do you hit points along all the meridians for balancing or is there something more specific? As I'm sure you can imagine, it would make sense to look into the original system.

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As posted at http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/dictionary/mdc.html

Ching Lo (meridian therapy): Alleged external stimulation of Qi (chi) and "Blood" in diverse ways, including acupressure, acupuncture, cupping, moxabustion, scraping, and application of "acu-powder," electricity, herbs, or magnets.

NoOnesMan2002, glad to hear you are feeling better (I assume that is what you meant by "with apparent success." However, I would advise you to not conclude that it is the result of "Meridian Therapy". Why? Because it is pseudo-science, which means that although it uses big fancy scientific words, it has not be shown to have any clinical positive results. In other words, it simply doesn't work, at least no better that the placebo effect would account for.

If you have a problem that you are treating with "Meridian and Energy Therapy" I urge you to see/continue to see a licenced medical physician. Leave Meridian Therapy, and other quack cures, back in the middle ages where they belong -- with the corresponding short life spans and high mortality rates.

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Introspection

Quotes to the rescue!

My my, that's a nice catch-all definition isn't it, not to mention some of it has nothing to do with meridians, and frankly I've never heard of it.

Now.. If acupuncture is quackery, why is it there is such a thing as medical acupuncture, practiced by MDs? And why is it that there are acupuncturists who are licensed health professionals, and that a quick search for the word acupuncture pulls up nearly 8000 abstracts in a medical database? But we're to assume these boys at "Quackwatch" knows better than all those people. Basic rule of thumb in doing research: It helps to have more than one reference.

NoOnesMan2002

I don't really care what the Quackwatch people have to say about this. I don't listen to debunkers. I give them as little of my energy and time as possible, and that includes not attempting to argue with them. While they are busy watching for quacks, I will be busy ignoring them, doing my own independent resarch, study, and experimentation, and making up my own mind.

Let's suppose the benefit I am experiencing is from the Placebo Effect. Then, since meridian therapies are so efficacious in terms of conferring this particular beneficial and enjoyable Placebo Effect, I will do them all the more, so as to experience more of the effect!

Love and regards,
George

NoOnesMan2002

Dear Introspection,

While I can see your point about going back to the original techniques, i.e. acupuncture and acupressure, the therapies under discussion are easily applied on a solo or one-to-one basis, at basically no expense and with very little time and effort; on the other hand, they are touted as being highly efficacious, and people experience them as being very helpful.

If you will click on the link I gave in my initial post, and actually go through the linked information, you can learn about the origins and development of these therapies. For example, TAT, the one I have been using the most, was developed by an acupuncturist. She developed the technique to such a point of refinement that she eventually abandoned the use of needles and specialized in her tapping and pressure technique.

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The assertion that these things don't work is just ridiculous. Would you go to a doctor repeatedly, and recommend her to your friends, if what she was doing wasn't helping you? If a person depends on practicing and teaching a particular technique that is advertised to help people for her living, and it actually has no demonstrable effect, how long do you think that person will last as a healer? How long will it be before she has to find a different career?

Should all the people who knew from experience that chiropractic treatment worked better than medical for certain problems have switched to MDs anyway, until science finally got past bias and negative propaganada and proved that they were right? If they had done that, there would be no chiropractors today, and the healing arts and those who benefit from them would be much poorer for it.

Couldn't the same principle appply here?

Fond regards,
George

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I don't really care what the Quackwatch people have to say about this. I don't listen to debunkers. I give them as little of my energy and time as possible, and that includes not attempting to argue with them.

Hhhhmmmm.... sounds like how I used to treat "apostates". After all, I already knew I had "The Truth" so what could I learn from them?

If it works for you, GREAT!!!! And you are correct, the placebo effect can (for those that don't know they are getting a placebo) be an effective treatment. However, I personally would prefer to to get actual, proven, documented treatment, rather than a placebo.

BTW, you said you test things out for yourself. That's great! What clinic do you work out of? How large is your population sample? Is it a blind, or double-blind study?

My my, that's a nice catch-all definition isn't it, not to mention some of it has nothing to do with meridians, and frankly I've never heard of it.

If you expected that in one thread reply one could give a complete analysis of the topic, you are expecting more from me than is humanly possible. Go do your own homework, I was just getting you started.

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NoOnesMan2002

I'm not here to argue. I offered something that I had experienced good results from. I am open to alternative therapies, and tend to react negatively to those whose mission seems to be to debunk them.

I visited the Quackwatch Website and perused it ONCE. It was not to my taste.

"Knowing" based on something we have read in books or on Websites is a bit different from knowing from experience, isn't it?

Offer me something that produces comparable effects for free AND is supported by supposedly flawless scientific studies, and I'll be happy to switch allegiances to your therapy of choice.

Did you get the point that this stuff is freely available and you can try it out on yourself, without paying a practitioner? What do you have to lose, for crying out loud? If there is "nothing to it," then tapping and pressing on certain points while saying or thinking affirmations certainly won't harm you. The worst it can do to you is make you feel silly, if you don't believe it will help.

Best regards,
George

Mulan

Good grief! This is all so ridiculous. Debunking something because you don't know anything about it. Gee........there's a web site about this scam.........it must be true.

I am getting a little tired of this type of reasoning. I have lived my entire life, with alternative medicine. It works. Traditional doctors are getting more and more into it too. I am an herbalist, and believe in them completely! Where do you think drugs come from? And then there are magnets? Your entire body is magnetic. Why would you think magnets wouldn't work? They do........and fast too.

That's the end of it for me. I won't try to convince anyone again.

Marilyn (aka Mulan)
"No one can take advantage of you, without your permission." Ann Landers

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