The Flaklands belong to Uruguay!

by Splash 94 Replies latest social current

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo

    The invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 was certainly ill-fated...for Argentina. Ill-fated for the Falklanders too, because to wake up and find that one is under sudden occupation is no fun for anyone.

    Ill-fated for the Argentinian crew of the Belgrano whose duty saw them obey their country's orders despite the fact that it had become an aggressor very bit the equal of Germany when it invaded other countries, and ill-fated for the British servicemen to gave their lives defending the Falkland Islanders.

    But liberation for the occupied Falklanders, for whom the outcome was not ill-fated at all, though a war with their land-grabbing neighbour was the last thing any of them would have wanted.

  • Diest
    Diest

    Why is N. Ireland below the belt? The English's dealings with Ireland were pretty shitty overall.

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    The recuperation of the Malvinas in 1982 on 2 April was indeed a national highlight; a time to shine. The war which followed was not so much so. And to think that the recovery was relatively peaceful, quite unlike Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939. Not a single British soldier was killed on that fateful night, though they got a bit cross with us when we forced the Royal Marines face down in the mud of Puerto Argentino. I admit, it was downright stupid of us to be condescending and humiliating to a nation that practically invented the concept. It was indeed ill-fated for the islanders, especially when three of them were killed by British shells - the only civilian casualties of the conflict. There were many in Argentina that expressed their condolences about that. No condolences were given (or expected) when Margaret Thatcher directly ordered the ARA General Belgrano to be sunk as she was well outside the British declared exclusion zone and headed back to port in Argentina. However, condolences continue to be handed out like candy to us whenever we see British pop and rock stars like Morrissey and Roger Waters do our country great honour by playing in our clubs and arenas, and by shouting out "Las Malvinas son Argentinas!" at their shows. We welcome more of your artists and educated socialists to come down and join us in solidarity against an imperial dagger lodged in the back of South America.

    Diest : They don't want to talk about a subject they cannot logically defend.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Diest

    Why is N. Ireland below the belt? The English's dealings with Ireland were pretty shitty overall.

    Yes, they were. But anyone who knows the slightest bit about the history of Northern Ireland will tell you it is in no way analogous with the Falklands.

    Cedars

  • cedars
    cedars

    Ok, here is the problem with applying the situation in Northern Ireland to the Falklands. Before Northern Ireland was colonized by English and Scottish protestants hundreds of years ago there were Irish Catholics living there already. When the first British settlers arrived on the Falklands, there were only penguins to greet them. Religion was clearly not going to be an issue, neither would territorial disputes simmer with the penguins for hundreds of years into the future - taking human lives in the process.

    Hundreds of years after those Scottish protestants settled, you now have a community where half want to be Irish, and half want to be British. You cannot give Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic without disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of loyalist protestants. The Irish republicans cannot rightly claim to be disenfranchised under the current status quo because they have grown up as British citizens as did their grandparents and great grandparents before them. Also, the divide is not just a territorial one, but a religious one. And we all know only too well on this forum that common sense flies out of the window when religious zeal is brought into the equation.

    As a Mancunian, I can recall my city being bombed by Irish republican terrorists. Nobody died thankfully, but the same cannot be said for all the various other bombings and clashes that sprung forth from the troubles. I am not standing up for the loyalists over the republicans. It makes no difference to me who is right or wrong. I am merely highlighting how the troubles in Northern Ireland are fierce and bloody, and fueled by centuries of sectarianism. To equate the colonizing of the vacant Falkland Islands with the turbulent and bloody history of Northern Ireland is as ridiculous as suggesting that penguins would swim to Manchester, or other UK cities, and carry out reprisal bomb attacks because we have deprived them of their Falklands habitat and thus dishonoured their penguin religion.

    Cedars

  • Diest
    Diest

    Well Cedars you were the one who said it was 'below the belt." Do the Brits have some sort of analogy belt that I was unaware of?

    I think that the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination. I also think the Enligsh were oppresive jerks who did not care about self determination until it suited them.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Diest

    I also think the Enligsh were oppresive jerks who did not care about self determination until it suited them.

    Either that or their outlook progressed with the times. Depends on whether you're a "glass is half empty" or "glass is half full" kind of guy.

    Cedars

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo

    Brilliantly written, Cedars!

    Diest, who do you think the English were oppressing in the Falklands?

  • Diest
    Diest

    No I dont think the Britts are oppressing them Charlie....but you knew that. The Falkland Islands are a fun topic for the English because it is one of the few times they were not in the wrong.

    Never saw how Ireland was below the belt.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Diest

    Never saw how Ireland was below the belt.

    The Falklands is a publicity stunt concocted by the Argentinians to deflect attention from their own internal woes.

    The troubles in Northern Ireland are a centuries-long sectarian conflict that have claimed lives and caused untold violence, suffering and division. If you were British, you'd know that.

    That's why it's below the belt.

    Cedars

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