144,000 Ain't Going to Heaven!!!

by The Searcher 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  The Searcher

  Why not?

  Don't take my word for it, the GB (D.C.of C.) inadvertantly let's the cat out of the bag with the inspired statements found in these publications.

  In these, they categorically claim that "the meek who inherit the earth" are none other than 144,000 + 1. (Christ)

  w09 2/15 p. 7 par. 9

  w08 5/15 p. 3 par. 4

  w06 8/15 p. 6

  it-1 p. 1201

  OK, let's agree with them. (for 20 seconds)

  Now, everyone reading this, take your Bible and rip out Psalm 37:11,29!!! Because those verses contradict what our self-appointed 'priests' tell us - that they are going to rule from heaven.

  Don't you just loooooooooove this teaching?
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  designs

  'Hover' over the earth seems to be the GBs idea. While they talk about the 'Bride of Christ' descending the 144,000 don't seem to actually touch down as it were.

  Many other groups- Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Quakers, Protestants, LDS either see the New Jerusalem figuratively or literal or in some cases the members are to 'build it' here by their own efforts.
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  Bobcat

  Searcher: (greetings)

  R. T. France makes an interesting comment about Matthew 5:5 ("the meek will inherit the land/earth") that, according to him, is also held by some other commentators. Writing in the NICNT-Matthew volume (p.166-167) he says:

  In echoing this psalm [37:11] so closely, Jesus clearly intended to promise a reversal of fortunes such as the psalm envisages, but whereas the "inheriting of the land" in the psalm seems to be understood in terms of earthly reversal, the overal tone of these beatitudes does not encourage us to interpret his words quite so literally. Cf. Isa. 61:7, where the "poor" and "mourning" of 61:1-3 are promised inheritance of the land; if the promises to them in the first two beatitudes apply to the kingdom of heaven, the same should presumably apply to their inheritance. There is a general tendency in the NT to treat OT promises about "the land" as finding fulfillment in nonterritorial ways, and such an orientation seems required here too. The focus is on the principle of reversal of fortunes rather than on a specific "inheritance."

  [end of quote]

  For example, consider how towards the end of Matthew (who presumably tried to maintain a consistant flow of thought and belief in his book), Christians who meet the Lord's approval in the parable of the sheep and goats, these "inherit the kingdom."

  Just as an aside, but showing a consistancy of thought in Matthew, Those meriting the Lord's favor are 'collected'/'gathered'/'told to come in'; in contrast to those rejected; they are 'thrown out'/'cast out'/'told to leave' or some similar idea of being 'put out.'

  Another point to note is that in Matthew, "the kingdom of heaven" is often paralleled in other places (or in the other synoptics) as "the kingdom of God" or as "life" or "everlasting life." (For example, compare Matt 19:16-26 with the discussion with the "rich young ruler", where 'getting life' (vs 16), 'having treasure in heaven' (vs 21), 'getting into the kingdom of the heavens' (vs 23), 'getting into the kingdom of God' (vs 24), and 'being saved' (vs 25), are all equated as being the same thing.

  The Society often uses the phrase "kingdom of heaven" to refer to only the 144,000 - when it is convenient for them to do so (for example in Matthew 11:11), but you would be more accurate to consider the phrase as being equated with enjoying the blessings of the New Covenant, which is an expression of God's rulership (or "kingdom" or "kingship").

  Take Care
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  QC

  Very interesting
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  maisha

  Neither is anyone ELSE!...
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  prologos

  maisha, we dont know that for sure, but just for discussions sake:

  The wt - take on this was that

  the 144 000 will inherit the earth, they will be the legal custodiants,

  absantee land lords if you will.

  As propriators, they will allow only those that swear loyalty to the PATKILLBROOK take up temporary and permanent residence.

  so: keep your eyes on the price and listen obey and be blessed as tenants on probation of the new EARTH propriators.
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  Bobcat

  Note how even Jesus, according to Psalm 2:8, will gain "the nations as your inheritance, and the ends of the earth as [his] own possession." Yet, after the 1000 years will 'hand over the kingdom to his God and Father.' (1 Cor 15:24)

  So as a "meek" one ("mild tempered" of Mt 11:29 NWT, but same Greek word as "meek" in Mt 5:5), Jesus also "inherits the earth." Yet, it is not as permanent as a literal understanding of "inherit" might convey. Similarly for any who might live on the earth during the 1000 years, there is no reason that it has to involve "forever" on earth. The language allows for "forever," but does not require it, based on how 'inheriting the earth' is used with regard to others.

  Thus, the Society's insistence that everyone will live forever either in heaven or on planet earth, is somewhat presumptuous.
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  Larsinger58

  Hmmm. isa 6:13 says....

  Isa 6:13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”

  MEANING?

  Meaning the "root" of the tree that represents the kingdom of priests is the 144,000, which is 1/10th of the whole. That means 144,000 are natural Jews and the other 1,296,000 are gentiles!
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  yadda yadda 2

  Can you please quote those Watchtower paragraphs?
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  prologos

  In Ps. 115:16 states --to Jehovah the heavens belong, but

  The Earth he has GIVEN to the SONS of MEN. and daughters. Period.

  With all the new light in the New Jersey meeting revelation on the F&DS, if

  The awarding of all the belongings of the Son of Men, the masters belongings will go to the GB + selected brothers at headquarters (The faithful ,mostly discreet Slave of 1919 vintage) and

  that includes the earth, then

  this planet has been staked with the "eight Brooklyn stars" symbol,-- just as surely as the star-spangeld banner was planted on the moon.

  It takes real guts to declare yourself to be sealed, practically martyred, and destined to rule in heaven.

  It takes real guts to declare yourselfs pending owners of the earth.

  It's maker might matter more.