Great idea from Whathappened? package for those facing a JC.

by hamsterbait 20 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • 88JM
    88JM

    I must say I like this idea, if it can be executed well - something like a JC wikipedia?

    Also see these threads:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/124488/1/Judicial-Committee-Preparation

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/223324/1/Judicial-Committee-Preparation

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200606/1/KS10-Chapter-Six-Discussion

    Not sure whether I agree with the "keep it private" idea or not though.

    I think an important article would be about weighing up whether you should even attend the JC at all or not.

    Perhaps a brief FAQ article? The do's and don'ts? A page of links to some of the JC recordings online might be good too, and also citing these for references for questions like:

    • "How should I answer the loyalty question?"
    • "What happens if I say this to the elders?"
    • "Should I tell them I've read the flock book?"
    • "Can I mention Ray Franz?"
    • "What should I definitely not tell them?"
    • "What kind of language should I use when describing this? What words should I definitely not use?"
    • etc.
  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    There is so much information available, but it is a shame that there isn't some kind of basic protocol for meetings with the Elders. One thing to remember is that they do not care what is true, or factual. You cannot argue doctrine. So just bringing up their mistakes will get you nowhere because they are totally brainwashed.

    What would be helpful is a list of all the questions that they will likely ask, and then scriptures that are appropriate. It is risky no matter what. If you don't have the personality to take them on, then I would suggest not attending at all. When I had all my meetings, I gave them a list of changing doctrines because they specifically called me rebellious and disrespectful for even mentioning that the WT contains errors. The WT is the word of Jehovah in their minds. The GB is the mouthpiece of Jehovah. You can't really win, or convince them of anything, a person wakes up on their own in most cases.

    So having quotes from the WT and Awake concerning subjects that are likely to come up would be handy. You can say, just like I did, that the WT and Awake are not apostate sources are they? Then you have to stand your ground, and have no fear of them. They cannot refute it. If they ask you if are loyal to the GB then quote scriptures about being loyal to God and Christ above all others. Tell them your loyalty to men is conditional, as it should be. They cannot refute that either.

    You just have to keep your cool, or do not attend. In the end you will lose, but you will have your self-respect. Like someone else mentioned, all they can do is take away " privileges " if you give them nothing to hang you with. Perhaps having the list of subjects to likely be covered along with scriptures and WT quotes is the best defense. You must throw the burden of proof on them. Make them lie to get what they want. Maybe a friend could coach you as if you were preparing for a court appearance? In the end it comes down to making them prove it, and bulls***ing your way through the small stuff. So if you are not the type that can handle the heat of an interrogation and you don't know when you are being baited, or when you should practice theocratic lying, then don't go.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    Those facing a JC should have a package for dealing with a situation where the Elduhs want to "talk with you."

    Like this:http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/judicial-committee-preparation.html

    The "package" is downloadable form documents at the end of that article.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • Lied2NoMore
    Lied2NoMore

    I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE IS TO BE RIGHT OR SWAY THE JC ELDERS THINKING. HERE IS THE ISSUE: RECORD THE PROCEEDINGS AND ASK ENOUGH QUESTIONS AND THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO EXPOSE THE WT / MIND CONTROL / DOCTRINES / PRACTICES SO IT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.. REMEMBER DURING THE NAZI REGIME THOSE UNDER HITLER FOLLOWED ORDERS AND LATER WERE PROSECUTED FOR WAR CRIMES. THIS IS HOW WE WANT THE WT TO FALL. WITH LOTS OF ATTENTION AND NOTORIETY.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    I agree. I can't see it changing the opinion of an elder, especially if they prone to DF. But there are a few thinking elders out there, and it may spark some brain activity. After some time though, the WT will be aware of some very informed dubs going into JC's and mopping up the elders.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I listened to the first part of a (28 part?) series of a JC on youtube. I felt the dread and I wasn't even there. It's doomed from the start, with three elders and a bible on one side, and you. Couldn't we encourage people not to honor the process at all? After all, they only have the authority we give them.

    The closest I've come to feeling that way was visiting a relative in prison, escorted through two sets of double doors, and feeling the towering wall looming over me.

    I could never do time.

  • Lied2NoMore
    Lied2NoMore

    We need to show the world how the WT lies to hide how manipulative and controlling they are.

    For example, if a newly interested one asked if they were required to follow every dictate and doctrine the WT puts out, and if the doctrine changes, are they required to accept it?

    ALL JW's to the highest levels would say NO! OF COURSE NOT!

    And if they don't accept, are they allowed to walk away without reprocussion, every JW to the highest levels would say YES! Anyone is FREE to do as they wish without reprocussion!

    BUT a recorded JC with the accused telling the elders they don't buy all the doctrines and teachings of the WT highlighting changes, and seeing the end result of DF-ing would be a powerful tool in swaying unsuspecting ones to staw the HELL away!

  • Lied2NoMore
    Lied2NoMore

    Once they lying and manipulation is exposed, then the world court of public opinion and governments will step in on OUR side. REMEMBER, all the places where JW's are persecuted or restricted or like in Russia, once were allowed but NO MORE?

    This is the result of governments stepping in to protect the rights of individuals. I would love to send a congratulatory letter stating our support of the WT ban and harassment in Russia. THANK them for protecting it's citizens from the harmful effects of the cult!

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    It all depends on what the individual would like to accomplish in the JC meeting. Do they want to avoid getting DFed? What are they being called into the JC for? Do they want to avoid the JC altogether?

    zed

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    You know, there is so much coded language in the WT, I am not sure an outsider could tell when a threat is being made. Case in point, "Do you believe that the Faithful and Discreet Slave is operating in our day?" Try that out on your neighbour. Watch them go "huh"?

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