DFing....Human Rights Violation and DEFAMATION of character?

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Terry

>>>>>>>>>No one can allow human rights to be violated--not even inside the insular confinement of Relgious Policy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What are "rights" and where do the stem from?
Human equality. One life is as valuable as another. Life is sacred.
I'm alive and you are alive and the next person is alive. So, we ALL have rights. Natural rights.
Human rights stem from a very practical source. Humans have certain needs in order to continue living and to prosper.
Without being able to meet our needs we perish. So, we have a RIGHT to act in defense of our personal needs to survive and prosper.
Basic premise: all rights stem from LIFE because without life you can't exercise any!
Because they ignore natural human rights.......Jehovah's Witnesses have a genuine moral problem.
Watchtower leaders don't value human life qua life...and consequently officially and through policy--deny certain automatic human rights.
Witness policy isn't about LIFE so much as it is about the LABELS they assign to various people.
By labeling somebody a goat they deny them basic human rights.
By labeling a skeptic an Apostate they deny them basic human rights.
How?
Remember: JW's say DFing leads to DEATH at Armageddon. So, depriving a person of LIFE by DFing them is the equivalent to EXECUTION.
If we keep that firmly in mind---we might wake up to what is REALLY AT STAKE in religious policy which denies the right to life.
A Judicial Committee meeting is LIFE or DEATH judgement wielded by arbitrary non-elected men of bias interpreting without law.
False accusations and plenary power can deprive you of your LIFE. Are you compelled to recognize the power of arrogant men to EXECUTE YOU?
Do we human beings have the right to question authority or don't we?
Do we have a right to rational discourse or don't we?
Just because we join a religion doesn't mean we forego the USE of our brain forever---does it?
As wives, husbands, parents and citizens we are vigilant of encroachments eroding our security and well-being.
After all, we aren't living under Roman Empire rule--are we?
By railroading a person who has doubts and questions-- the elders are devaluing the basic human right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
FORCING THIS HUMAN RIGHTs ISSUE OUT IN THE OPEN might wake others up (with doubts, too) to what is really going on.
Elder judges may sometimes be found to be exercsing power without morality.
By treating their immoral valuation of you (and their death sentence) as unworthy of compliance YOU CHALLENGE their morality in the "court" of public opinion.
Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? And who is the Evil Slave?
The Evil Slave abuses power over others.
Jesus LEFT THE 99 to go after the stray. Conclusion? Jesus embraces the stray.
The Evil Slave drives out the one. Conclusion: abusive Elders are embodying the Evil Slave.
CASE IN POINT:
If you call the police and report child molestation after the Elders tell you to keep quiet are you a reviler deserving their "death" sentence: DFing?
Yes--to the stonewalling Elders who won't protect the innocent victim.
If you report them---who gets arrested? THEY DO.
(What is the alternative? Keeping your lip zipped?)
NO! You are doing the MORALLY RIGHT thing.
Any Religious Policy which makes you complicit in cover-up is automatically IMMORAL.
Why? IT VIOLATES BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
So, you get DF'd. What then?
Should you ACCEPT YOUR FATE?
NO!
THIS IS A HUMAN RIGHTS CROSSROADS.
>>>>>>>>>No one can allow human rights to be violated--not even inside the insular confinement of Relgious Policy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Others inside the congregation are watching and deciding. They are--in effect--having their own morals tested.
Your public treatment puts their integrity to the test. But only if it is PUBLIC and witnessed.
Otherwise...it is all swept under the rug of secrecy and the festering injustice continues.
Business as usual.
When did public opinion change about the Catholic Church? When the evil policy of cover up became public.
When did public opinion change about Scientology? When defectors went public about violent abuse.
For Evil to prosper good people only have to do nothing.
We have a basic human right to educate our children and to earn a substantive living and to enjoy our free time.
The Watchtower religion VIOLATES these basic human rights too with opressive and suppressive policies that
rob families of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Terry

I'm thinking that in the case of wrongful prosecution by elders there should be a standard letter the DF'd victim can write
and mail out to all members of the congregation briefly setting forth facts to whistleblow while urging them to AT LEAST do the same.
Putting a fire under the feet of arrogant, self-serving and peremptory jerks serving as judges is THE LEAST we can do.
Out em'!
Remember, we all have a right to our good name and protection against being defamed with false and malicious slandering of our reputation
in the community.
I think pursuing the legality of treating false DFing as SLANDER can open this evil religion up to lawsuits and the court of public opinion.
There are some down and dirty cases being suppressed which---if they ever became public---would amaze and outrage you!!
Ask a Lawyer: What is Defamation of character?
Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.
Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel , and spoken statements, called slander.
sabastious

The Watchtower hates human freedom much like the current Syrian dictator.
-Sab
Terry

If we start to think of certain (not all, certainly) DFing which contains elements of willfull elder abuse as a violation of
our basic human right to NOT be defamed our status as a citizen suddenly becomes an issue.
When the letter of DFing is publicly ANNOUNCED it may well amount to the legal definition of DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER.
Your reputation is injured and you are suddenly treated with disrespect by others WHO DON'T HAVE A SINGLE FACT TO CONSIDER to make up
their own mind.
Think about it! Being Disfellowshipped is the single worst injury you can suffer if you are a JW. You are deprived of your friends, family and good character through the efforts of Elders who hold your life in their thrall.
magotan

The WT legal dept is very crafty. I'm almost 100% positive this is why they don't actually announce "So and So is Disfellowshipped" or "So and so is Disfellowshippeed for XXXX" so they can avoid lawsuits like this.
Terry

What IS announced has the exact same EFFECT, however.
It is understood as having the same meaning as: this person is not of sufficient moral character to meet minimum standards of fellowship they must die at Armageddon.
jgnat

Elements that must be in place to sue for defamation.
http://www.claim-advice.com/defamation.html
I suspect that the courts would view excommunication from a religious community to be on par with being kicked out of a club. Eternal death at Armageddon? The expunged member is under no obligation to accept an imaginary punishment.
Human rights violation? Which minority group is being persecuted? Were they terminated from their job? Denied housing?
The LGBT community could possibly cry discrimination, but again, the courts may view it as similar to club membership. Outside of the church confines, however, Witnesses could run in to trouble.
I think a Witness-run business would certainly be in trouble if they showed discriminatory hiring or firing practices. Didn't I just read of such a case in the UK?
blindnomore

To Jehovah's Witnesses, being disfellowshipped is worse than dying. It, in fact, is being sentenced to an everlasting destruction(double dying). It takes your very being away.
And the Watchtower Religious Leaders knew it. As a matter of a fact, through such an inhumane practice, the Cult thrives.
You become a human hostage of the Watchtower Town in the moment of baptism.
The Watchtower Cult leaders are the Criminals of Humanity.
Ironically though, once you've figured out TTATT, disfellowshipping is the best thing that could ever happened to the Cult members. You are no longer under their captivity even though you may loose family and friends. That's why we are fighting against the Cult for the sake of our loved ones who are enslaved by the Evilness and warning public, ex-JWs, who remained in the darkness included, from becoming the victims of cult.
Edit: Only those who personally exprienced the evilness of the Watchtower leadership would truly understand what it is like being "dehumanized" Of course it is a "violation of human right"!
Chaserious

Defamation has to involve a false statement.
"______ is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" is not false. It's very much the truth. This certainly had much to do with the changes in announcing procedures over the years. It's also likely the reason that they don't need HQ to sign off on a DF'ing, unlike the appointment of elders or (formerly) pioneers.
sabastious

The expunged member is under no obligation to accept an imaginary punishment.
It's not imaginary when you are mind controlled. The users of this site have corroborated evidence that leaving the WT ideas behind takes years of deprogramming and personal growth. It's not like disfellowshipped people have a support system they can turn to. They must start from scratch and the process is so vigorous that some would rather commit suicide than endure through it. This forum even had a recent suicide because of a brutal disfellowshipping after receiving a blood transfusion while unconscious. I don't understand how anyone could take an objective look at the disfellowshipping process and simply call it being kicked out of a club. It's so much more than that and all it takes is a simple investigation to confirm that.
Human rights violation?
Absolutely. They are impinging upon the right to assembly and freedom of association.
Defamation has to involve a false statement.
It is a false statement because what's actually happening is a disfellowshipping. The rank and file still use the term DF'ed internally because there is no difference. The only thing that changed was the wordage used for the public announcement. It's completely dishonest. They don't tear up your publisher card, that stays on file.
-Sab

DFing....Human Rights Violation and DEFAMATION of character?

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