Why you CAN'T make sense of it.

baltar447

Going through an dealing with a mentally ill spouse (living hell, LONG story, PM me if you want details), and talking to others who have dealt with the mentally ill, I've come to an epiphany.

You CANNOT make sense of "crazy". That's why, when you get out of the WT, get out of the mind control, and try to REASON with your loved ones or friends, it WILL NOT WORK. We are dealing with people under mind control and I believe that is a close cousin of mental illness. Cognitive dissonance, years of creating two personalities for self preservation, hiding your true self, it really creates serious psychological problems.

We bust out heads wondering WHY these people can't see the truth. We almost go crazy ourselves wondering why any seemingly SANE person can't see "the truth about the truth". I beleive there's a strong connectiong between mind control and being mentall ill. Any thoughts?

thecrushed

i agree completely. many of my family members in the cult are going mad. i have a crazy bipolar mother, a suicidally depressesd aunt in the mental hospital right now and another extended family member who went bat shit nuts while serving as an elder. they dfd him while he was in bipolar mania. some loving group they are.

GoneAwol

You make a valid point Baltar. I think most cults pray on vulnerable people with promises of a better life. They get love bombed etc. But what they dont get from a cult is reasonable help and answers to how THEY are feeling. Its all about slaving for the borg. If you are depressed, DO MORE PREACHING!

The issues people have are repressed and not dealt with, until they surface years later as severe mental problems. The human mind can only take so much pressure until it pops.

wasblind

I agree Baltar

The best we can do is assist the ones who are no longer under the influence of what makes them sick ( So to speak )

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Terry

Having recently lived for a year with a relative who was so vexing life was pins and needles--I hear your cry!

Rational people look for reasons while irrational people are like water running downhill. They zig and they zag and the path is only what the path is.

Stand back.

Watch out.

Mind your words.

Bear the brunt.

Until.....you no longer have the energy.

The mind is a terrible weapon when turned upon ourselves.

We may as well embrace the whirlwind.

Should we hang by one hand from the precipice day in and day out with the abyss below?

Oh sure. Try that. Life becomes not "if" you fall but when.

Survive! Hard choices but no real ones but Survive!

punkofnice

I agree 100%.

When I was 'in' I remember being asked 'apostate(TM)' questions. How did I react?

I reasoned that the questions couldn't be valid as this wasn't what the WBT$ said. I found the 'truth(TM)' though, to be devoid of comfort.

It was hell being a JW and I didn't know it! I wouldn't entertain the thought.

If I was asked a stumper of a question, if the WBT$ didn't answer it, I'd either 'wait on Twat-hovah' or consider the question must be flawed but Satan was preventing me seeing it.

I now no longer believe in God, Satan, talking snakes, murderous scumbags going to heaven on flying horses or religion in general.

mrsjones5

I agree.

Apognophos

We almost go crazy ourselves wondering why any seemingly SANE person can't see "the truth about the truth". [...] Any thoughts?

Only that they think the same thing about us. Their thoughts are perfectly rational to them and ours are irrational to them; yet, they seem irrational to us. What objective means do we have for demonstrating that they're the crazy ones? Crazy people don't know they're crazy. We might be the asylum inmates looking at out at the normal people walking by on the sidewalk saying, "Look at all those crazy people! Thank God they've been locked out of this place!"

00DAD

baltar447, I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

I am convinced that there is a cause and effect correlation between being a member of a Mind-Control cult and mental illness. It's curious that, considering how many cults have existed, there are precious few really solid, scientifically valid, rigorously conducted psychological studies on this subject. As a result, there is not a lot written on what to do about it.

I'm sure you're familiar with Steven Hassan's work. His book, Releasing the Bonds, has really helped me to understand this better both for myself and in dealing with others that are current and ex-JWs.

I have come to see now that many of the issues my ex-wife dealt with and the depression she suffers from are no doubt caused by being raised a JW. I regret continuing (albeit at the time unwittingly) the abuse on my children. I am now trying to learn how to undo the damage done. Sadly, like so many still in the cult, they don't want to hear anything that would actually help them.

You can't make sense out of nonsense and you can't reason with crazy. But you can show them love.

00DAD

Apognophos: What objective means do we have for demonstrating that they're the crazy ones?

With out getting all Descartes on you, I will simply say this: We do not need objective means. We have their own publications which will do our work for us.

We can simply point to a seemingly endless supply of WT flip-flops, contradictions, illogical, incoherent and inconsistent doctrines, teachings, rules and regulations, policies and procedures that exhibits a clear pattern of intentionally manipulative and controlling propaganda with a stubbornly entrenched history of refusal to acknowledge their own mistakes while blaming their followers.

That works for me.

00DAD

Why you CAN'T make sense of it.

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