Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS? (page 5)

LisaRose

I think the leadership in this religion are psychopaths. I think the destructive nature of this organization shows the GB lack any moral sense whatsoever. They will do anything and everything to keep in power and hide their true nature and their history of lies and manipulations. I think the psychopathic nature of the leaders influences every member through the policies and doctrines.

I think that, to the extent that the followers adopt these policies, they too become psychopathic. For example, if a parent shuns a child simply because they no longer want to be Jehovah's Witness, that is not normal human behavior. That they could show no natural affection to their own child because a nameless body of men told them to, is psychopathic. I know some JWs who do this reluctantly, who have mixed feelings. There is hope for them, they are just under cult mind control. I know others who are able to turn their love off like a faucet and don't give it a second thought. I believe they were either psychopathic to begin with, or have adopted a psychopathic personality because of the influence of the leaders.

flipper

It's actually a mind control cult run by psychopaths - masquerading as a religion

Julia Orwell

That talk by Ciro whatever is the most disgusting thing ever!!! I've never heard anything so graphic from the platform. That's just sick. Although he only specifically only mentions gays and murderers, we all know they mean anyone not JW. So he's saying all this disgusting stuff about my dear mother, brother, father, niece, aunt, and all the innocent children, babies and all those poor saps in North Korea.

I guess they didn't read the scripture where Jehovah says he will never rejoice in the death of the wicked one.

More cracked than a dropped carton of eggs.

cptkirk

I think I might have a go at recording a counter commentary to that talk as it plays, it's just too much. Oh really? you do know satan's innermost thoughts? that is very very intriguing....also, you refer to jehovah as a person? wow that is fascinating also. could it be that you have anthropomorphized these beings into the embodiment of your own pathetic projected inner self? which is definitely a raving psychopath....and the crowd laughs as he jokes about the zoo animals eating the decaying corpses.....hmm.. i still want to see the article about stoning.

Apognophos

I take a more moderate view of this issue. I agree with the indications of psychopathic personality, but I disagree with the motivation for it. Religion is only about power for a few. Most people are attracted to religion for the same reason they are attracted to a certain political party, and more broadly it's the same reason why they root for a sports team or invest in popular stocks; it's about security. It makes people feel safer to be in a group, and on top of the emotional satisfaction that comes from tribalism, religion can provide answers (intellectual satisfaction) for the problems in our lives.

I think that the people at the top, i.e. the GB, have gotten good at ignoring their consciences (a sociopathic indicator), but they still believe on some level that they are perpetuating something good, albeit flawed, that serves an important purpose. They see the flaws in the teachings, but they still believe they are closest to the truth! Some may even be more jaded, and believe that they aren't closer to the truth than some other groups, but nevertheless God chose them as his representatives so they need to keep doing what they are doing, and hopefully improve the doctrine a bit more as they go. Keep in mind that these are people who (unless they are flat-out lying) genuinely believe that God anointed them with holy spirit. They therefore extend that dogmatic certainty to the organization as a whole -- "we are chosen, therefore this org. must be chosen".

Psychological studies* have shown that the majority of humans will engage in cruel behavior, not for personal gain, but in the name of following orders. Whether those orders come from other men, or (so they believe) from God, makes little difference.

*I think we all know about the infamous Stanford prison experiment. Although there are valid criticisms of its results, if one reads the details of the experiment and its criticisms, I think you'll find that the results are applicable to the Witness religion. Other experiments mentioned in the WP article have partially confirmed Zimbardo's results, so I'm comfortable saying "studies", plural, in the above statement. This is probably deserving of a separate thread if there isn't one already.

cobaltcupcake

Thanks, Finkelstein! I've heard talks like that. Now it just sounds so messed up. The speaker really went beyond the things that are written - he was making shit up! Satan will work hard to destroy the earth before he is abyssed? Where's that written?

I remember my ex-bethelite husband telling me about that anti-matter idea. It sounded looney to me 35 years ago, and it still does.

And it won't bother us to see billions of dead bodies, including bodies of children? That goes completely against human nature! It's instinctive to want to help a person who is facing danger, not rejoice at their death!

Well, if you're not a sociopath or psychopath or narcissist, that is.

Terry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Finkelstein

Thanks, Finkelstein! I've heard talks like that.

I think any professional psychologist who listened to that speech would be utterly disgusted from its content and perhaps even more so

if they knew that young children were seated listening to it at the time.

No wonder so many JWS grow up with psychological problems.

A religion that propagates sick idealogical thoughts, creates mentally sick people.

Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

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